Question: What is Dragoon best at ?

[Alise]

Thank for all the answer. So basically, Drg is mixing class then. a melee Dps that reduce dps a little but gain some support and AoE sound about right. (Or could say that he is burst DD, but really not so much useful imo about burst since there aren't so much situation that need it, and most of the time other dps combination can over come that) About whm vs sch debate, I would leave it to healer forum, but I disagree about Sch not stronger in single target heal. As you already stated condition "without Lustrate", Well, Sch is supposed to have Lustrate, it is one of key performance ability.

My static T6-8 keep raining with Monk items. Didn't expect your case that your static always get Drg gear lol, in my case, we only seen 1 gear in 2 months. We already assume that Drg gear has lowest drop rate.

[PArcher]

Thank for all the answer. So basically, Drg is mixing class then. a melee Dps that reduce dps a little but gain some support and AoE sound about right. (Or could say that he is burst DD, but really not so much useful imo about burst since there aren't so much situation that need it, and most of the time other dps combination can over come that)

DRG have no abilities to reduce damage. They also have almost no support, since Dis is more for them, and the BRD boost is just a nice perk, and stuns can be an issue (T5/Levi).

DRG are the burst job. They do also bring great sustained single-target, and better AoE than BRD, but the thing that sets them apart is the burst. And that burst is definitely useful, and good DRG will take advantage of it (you notice the difference most when you normally have a good DRG, then one day do not and see that things do not die as they should).

About whm vs sch debate, I would leave it to healer forum, but I disagree about Sch not stronger in single target heal. As you already stated condition "without Lustrate", Well, Sch is supposed to have Lustrate, it is one of key performance ability.

As for Lustrate...you have 3/min, max (less if you use Sacred Soil to mitigate, which you should). There are definitely fights where that is not enough, especially at lower ilv for the content or if something goes wrong (bad crit, tank derped, added mobs come to the fight, too little DPS, etc).
If a SCH has all three stacks for Lustrate, they are better single-target heals...but that's burst-healing. Which you just said is something pretty much useless for DPS...so its not useful healing either, right? 2 WHM are more than able to overcome that need for burst healing with their greater sustained healing...

[Alise]

DRG have no abilities to reduce damage. They also have almost no support, since Dis is more for them, and the BRD boost is just a nice perk, and stuns can be an issue (T5/Levi).

DRG are the burst job. They do also bring great sustained single-target, and better AoE than BRD, but the thing that sets them apart is the burst. And that burst is definitely useful, and good DRG will take advantage of it (you notice the difference most when you normally have a good DRG, then one day do not and see that things do not die as they should).



As for Lustrate...you have 3/min, max (less if you use Sacred Soil to mitigate, which you should). There are definitely fights where that is not enough, especially at lower ilv for the content or if something goes wrong (bad crit, tank derped, added mobs come to the fight, too little DPS, etc).
If a SCH has all three stacks for Lustrate, they are better single-target heals...but that's burst-healing. Which you just said is something pretty much useless for DPS...so its not useful healing either, right? 2 WHM are more than able to overcome that need for burst healing with their greater sustained healing...

Little miss assume there. when I said reduce dps a little meaning as in comparing to Monk, Drg dps is a reduced from that, but Drg gain support stuffs where Monk can not do.

Another point is that when you assumed burst dps is not useful, then burst healing isn't useful too. Nah, I would say the opposite, in healing case, burst healing to make alive is the most useful thing healer could do. (Aka, burst healing is more useful than healing per sec). In generally case when boss just doing auto-attack and use minor skills that require healer to keep casting sustainable heal per sec, tank hp would always be at full because it is overly heal per sec. However, only some specific times when boss is using something like Raven beak, combo, disfussive laser, dread summon, death sentence stuffs which burst healing is the decisive factor to check party death or alive. That is the time when healer shine the most.


As in, when they see DD. they said, omg, this person has high dps. good job. It kill boss fast. (people care per sec)
when they see Healer. they said, omg, this healer could heal through such a heavy situation. good job. (people care burst)

[rickyguo]

Little miss assume there. when I said reduce dps a little meaning as in comparing to Monk, Drg dps is a reduced from that, but Drg gain support stuffs where Monk can not do.

Monks got mantra and dragon kick. What.. do drgs have as support skills? Disembowel isn't a support skill, it's a straight dps buff for another class.

[Atreides]

Monks got mantra and dragon kick. What.. do drgs have as support skills? Disembowel isn't a support skill, it's a straight dps buff for another class.

It's also a DPS bonus for the DRG, if a DRG can buff another class and has the same kind of DPS as a MNK who in their right mind would take a MNK then?
About Mantra... I do use it sometimes just because I have it but there isn't a single situation in the game where I think Manta is really a big help, so I don't see whats the deal with Mantra. o_o
The whole content can be cleared just as easy without it since the heals are really huge in this game.

[Alenore]

It's also a DPS bonus for the DRG but now... Manta and useful? I do use it sometimes just because I have it but there isn't a single situation in the game where I think Manta is really a big help so I don't see whats the deal with Mantra. o_o
The whole content can be cleared just as easy without it.

Nothing is mandatory in game. Mantra helps for when you just got a bit hit and needs to recover quickly. Or someone will die very soon and a Cure II won't be enough, for instance. Think people who get hit by windburn in Garu, or just raised before an AOE, etc.
You don't need it, but it can make the difference between a wipe and some more minutes of practice on a fight

[Alenore]

As in, when they see DD. they said, omg, this person has high dps. good job. It kill boss fast. (people care per sec)

Personally, I'm much more interested in someone who can kill an add super fast, than someone who pulls like 20 more DPS (my DPS ego doesn't say the same, but my brain does.).
Conflagration/Dread in T5, Superslug in T6, adds/spume on Levi EX, ... I have no idea of fights after T6 since I didn't do them yet, but these ones are stuff you have to kill quickly, and where burst is nice to have.

Even on other fights, every time there's adds, the less time the're alive, the quicker the boss will be focused again, and the quicker it will die.

[Atreides]

My static T6-8 keep raining with Monk items. Didn't expect your case that your static always get Drg gear lol, in my case, we only seen 1 gear in 2 months. We already assume that Drg gear has lowest drop rate.

We always thought it has the highest drop rate, we get showered so bad in drg drops that we soon have 3 not main classes fully decked with the left side... xD
It's just bad luck I'd say, fuck the RNG. >.<

[Sygmaelle]

DRG are best burst damage by far

Nope. Summoners are, especially when you take foe requiem in consideration. You ll never match 2 - 2.5k crit Fester with your full thrust if you re not pretty insanely high in determination.

Same for the aoe damage, Blm are the best in this category. We re just good at what we do, when it have to be done. Dragoons are versatile as in they can bring in pretty high burst on the table, or aoe, or sustained dps if played properly but we dont outclass any class in any of these domains (if played properly aswell)

[Itseotle]

Nope. Summoners are, especially when you take foe requiem in consideration. You ll never match 2 - 2.5k crit Fester with your full thrust if you re not pretty insanely high in determination.

Fester does do a lot of damage, this is true, but your assumption is a little off as well. First, you need to apply your 3 dots to a target to be able to use Fester. Bane will help make this quick, but without Bane you would need about 8 seconds to pull off a Fester. Thats pretty quick, no doubt, but give a DRG about 13 seconds and he will do far more burst than Fester + DoTs. Start with Disembowl (which will also increase BRD burst by 10% since your counting requiem) > Power Surge > Chaos Thrust > Jump > True Thrust > Spineshatter Dive > Vorpal Thrust > Life Surge > Full Thrust. This shortend combo for burst will do about 5k damage on the low end, and considerably more if just a couple skills crit. I give the below as evidence:

http://s28.postimg.org/qooobeqwt/burst.jpg

Now, I got a lot of crits in this example, but these attacks are consecutive hits, and did about 7600 damage, counting auto attacks and the attacks inbetween the ones in the screenshot. This damage was done in 9 seconds. Thats some serious burst. And unlike Fester, a DRG's burst can be maintained for a bit longer, do to Fester's 10 seconds cooldown.

Or could say that he is burst DD, but really not so much useful imo about burst since there aren't so much situation that need it, and most of the time other dps combination can over come that

Bulbs in T6, adds in T7, and Dreads in T8, and Wyvrens/Golems in T9 all require "burst" to bring them down fast. Burst Damage is commonly defined as "a term used to describe dealing high amounts of damage in a very short period of time. ". In my above examples, you need to kill the T6 bulb fast before it spreads briar, you need to kill the T7 adds fast before the next one spawns, you need to kill the T8 Dread before the healer's cannot keep up with damage output, and you need to kill the T9 adds fast before you simple die. So you do infact use burst damage in every turn of SCoB.

As for your second point that other DPS can overcome the lack of a DRG's burst, yes this is true, all jobs can burst, however doing burst damage is one of DRGs strongest talents. SMN need some ramp up, BRD need to sit on cooldowns, and BLM need to be in the correct element. A DRG can just engage mob > blow it up.