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    Player
    Super_Pollo's Avatar
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    Eloise Wynne
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    Famfrit
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Alise you pretty much nailed what each job contributes to the table in an instance. If there's a lot of movement in a fight and the boss disappears/jumps...bring a dragoon if you want melee dps and limit break. Also on a different note...,I initially refused to believe the "loldrg" stereotype but I couldn't help but believe it after seeing 4 out of 5 die alot in duty finder.
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    Desidious's Avatar
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    Desidious Fellspear
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    Lamia
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    Fisher Lv 50
    Dunno if this has been said since I haven't looked in this whole thread.

    Dragoons have gap closing skills which are situational but are very handy. We can cross class foresight for mitigation, internal realese for extra burst, and second wind for a decent heal. We are versitile at best.
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    whiskeybravo's Avatar
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    Whiskey Bravo
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I think I've decided DRG burst is not really all it's cracked up to be. I experimented a bit with the bulbs in t6 last night, saving my jumps, BFB and Life Surge specifically for them. The RNG was actually hating us last night, we had so many middle bulbs each attempt, but I didn't notice any significant difference in their demise, except one particular bulb where I was able to hit LS+FT and had a PS+Jump crit right after while under BFB. One out of at least 20 middle bulbs there was an actual difference. The main difference our RL noticed was that my overall damage went down quite a bit from what it had been.

    So, a little bit of burst for overall lower DPS does not seem worth it to me.. Since there isn't a hard enrage on T6, I think it is probably more acceptable to save CDs for the specific DPS checks, but again, I noticed no significant difference in the time either bulbs or hornets went down outside of the one bulb. Granted, with a little more practice doing it that way I may be able to line CDs up better and have a result more in favor of DRG.

    SMN on the other hand, while the burst potential may be lower than DRG, is in a better position I think. Their dots remain ticking on the boss while they burst the add, and even if the dots on the add are only ticking 3 or 4 times, that's in addition to everything else they're doing.

    I dunno.. Just my new thoughts. From what I can see, it's better to just use Jumps and such as they are available vs holding on to them for burst, which pretty much means we don't have much burst unless the moon and stars align perfectly and we have CDs available when something needs to be burst down.
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    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    I think I've decided DRG burst is not really all it's cracked up to be. I experimented a bit with the bulbs in t6 last night,
    Well, the problem here is bulbs are supposed to be alive for less than 10 seconds (you have, what, 3 GDC to work with here?)...which is too little time to get really anything on it as a non-caster (BLM have Flare, SMN have Bane+Fester) unless you happen to be lined up perfectly for it and get good crits. As far as I know, this is one of a very few exceptions to the "burst rule" (even fast Conflags give you 5 GDC on average I believe)
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    (the 2k windblade is laughable, though. Sure, your pet 100 potency move does more damage than a dragoon 330 potency under full buff),
    Yeah my bad it was aerial blast. Still, you get my point. 2k aerial blast, 1k windblade, 2k+ fester and so on
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    Pooky Pasha
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    Excalibur
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmaelle View Post
    Yeah my bad it was aerial blast. Still, you get my point. 2k aerial blast, 1k windblade, 2k+ fester and so on
    I'm genuinely curious, what content (other than Turn 5 and Echo junk) are you seeing these numbers on for SMN?
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    That kind of content



    Could also upload a lot of first phase on Nael where you ll see the numbers aforementioned from garuda but there's honestly way too much data. Or any boss in Second Coils really. Wasn't talkin about magic debuffed ads with echo on top
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    Last edited by Sygmaelle; 06-12-2014 at 12:43 PM.

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    Yan Dere
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    Gilgamesh
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmaelle View Post
    That kind of content



    Could also upload a lot of first phase on Nael where you ll see the numbers aforementioned from garuda but there's honestly way too much data. Or any boss in Second Coils really. Wasn't talkin about magic debuffed ads with echo on top
    Are you running double foes or something
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    Altimis Farron
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    Aegis
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    that 480 DPS on SMN wtf o.O if that shit really real in the game

    I really saluted you, you really punch everyone face here (if that real thing lol)

    How you even manage to get Garuda 198 DPS after all? mind if you tell about Garuda please since I can't figured out how that be lol
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    Last edited by Altimis; 06-12-2014 at 11:26 AM.

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