Quote Originally Posted by Pebe
Um i don't think ifrit, titan, garuda, leviathan, moogle mog, shiva and ramuh are elder primals; they are lesser primals iirc. The elder primals that we know of so far are: Bahamut and Odin. Both of whom were sealed away until they were freed by the calamity. Personally the primal I am waiting to be released is Phoenix, you all know you want him. They did him so much injustice in FFXI...

Also, a fight against the elemental of nihility would be badass... I loved the whm storyline from 1.0!
Regardless of what counts as a Primal vs. an Elder Primal, it doesn’t change the fact that the entities recognized as Primals in the game at the moment, with the exception of Garuda, have the element of longevity within the Final Fantasy series. Heck, even Carbuncle has been around since at least Final Fantasy V and has appeared in virtually every Final Fantasy since then, with the exception of VII, X, and XII (though he did appear in Revenant Wings and both Tactic’s games). And the Faeries have been in 2 Final Fantasy Games and 1 Spin-Offs (though it was only a Summon in 2 of these 3 games).

Point is, Diabolos has only been in ONE game, not counting MMO’s. Garuda has never been in any Final Fantasy Game EXCEPT MMO’s. And Siren has been in TWO games aside from MMO’s, and never once in an MMO as a Summon. These three Summons just do not have the staying power of the other Summons. Though Garuda has the same kind of Fetish bait that Shiva has had for ages, so that is lending a boost to her staying power. Siren however only recently got introduced to a medium that made the fact that she is wearing a bikini obvious, instead of making her bikini look like it is actually… um… yeah….