So Diabolos (The Boss)

[givemeraptors]

To be fair, pre-nerf Siren was harder for most people than the HM primals.
Lost City isn't near Pharos Sirius-level difficulty but it is definitely the hardest of the new dungeons and the doors are a cool design. Diabolos always struck me as cooler looking than powerful anyway.

[UBERHAXED]

That just doesn't seem reasonable to me, though. It'd be infinitely easier to get the DD to do it, especially the ranged DD. Opening the first door could easily get interrupted by just about anything, and that'd be insanely annoying. "Opening-" *interrupted* "Opening-" *interrupted* "Opening-" *interrupted* "Opening-" *interrupted* "Opening-" *interrupted* "Opening-" *interrupted*

Not my idea of a good time.

Healer should open the doors 100% of the time, or else they are lazy. They are literally standing there doing nothing while he charges his attack because no one, including the tank, will take any damage.

[Tharian]

Each of the Elder Primals (Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, Mog, Odin, and Bahamut) has appeared in Final Fantasy Games since at least as early as Final Fantasy III, with the exception of Garuda. Titan, and Bahamut both first appeared in Final Fantasy I, though not as Summons as that feature didn't exist until Final Fantasy III. The Moogles and Leviathan both first appeared in Final Fantasy II. Garuda is the only one not to have appeared in the older games. Her debut being had in Final Fantasy XI. However she was such a popular character that they couldn't just get rid of her.

Siren, the only other former Summon aside from Diabolos to appear as a Dungeon Boss, but not as a Primal, first appeared in Final Fantasy VI. Diabolos himself first appeared in Final Fantasy VIII. Siren has been a Summon in TWO of the main series games. Diabolos has been a summon in TWO of the main series games. Garuda has now been a summon in TWO of the main series games. I am sensing a pattern here...

[Vallug]

I would love a Diabolos EGI

[Pebe]

Um i don't think ifrit, titan, garuda, leviathan, moogle mog, shiva and ramuh are elder primals, they are lesser primals iirc. The elder primals that we know of so far are: Bahamut and Odin. Both of whom where sealed away until they were freed by the calamity. Personally the primal I am waiting to be released is Phoenix, you all know you want him. They did him so much injustice in FFXI...

ALso, A fight against the elemental of nihility would be badass... I loved the whm storyline from 1.0!

[AdamuKun322]

Yeah in Lost City I really enjoyed doing battle with Diabolos. His ultimate attack as we would transpose between voids as to avoid getting murdered is just awesome.

[Estellios]

Don't you have enough time to open both doors by yourself if you run to the first one right when he does Noctoshield?

You don't really have to mark doors either since you just have to take a look when you get sucked in, the symbols repop.

[Tharian]

Um i don't think ifrit, titan, garuda, leviathan, moogle mog, shiva and ramuh are elder primals; they are lesser primals iirc. The elder primals that we know of so far are: Bahamut and Odin. Both of whom were sealed away until they were freed by the calamity. Personally the primal I am waiting to be released is Phoenix, you all know you want him. They did him so much injustice in FFXI...

Also, a fight against the elemental of nihility would be badass... I loved the whm storyline from 1.0!

Regardless of what counts as a Primal vs. an Elder Primal, it doesn’t change the fact that the entities recognized as Primals in the game at the moment, with the exception of Garuda, have the element of longevity within the Final Fantasy series. Heck, even Carbuncle has been around since at least Final Fantasy V and has appeared in virtually every Final Fantasy since then, with the exception of VII, X, and XII (though he did appear in Revenant Wings and both Tactic’s games). And the Faeries have been in 2 Final Fantasy Games and 1 Spin-Offs (though it was only a Summon in 2 of these 3 games).

Point is, Diabolos has only been in ONE game, not counting MMO’s. Garuda has never been in any Final Fantasy Game EXCEPT MMO’s. And Siren has been in TWO games aside from MMO’s, and never once in an MMO as a Summon. These three Summons just do not have the staying power of the other Summons. Though Garuda has the same kind of Fetish bait that Shiva has had for ages, so that is lending a boost to her staying power. Siren however only recently got introduced to a medium that made the fact that she is wearing a bikini obvious, instead of making her bikini look like it is actually… um… yeah….

[Kiroh]

Um i don't think ifrit, titan, garuda, leviathan, moogle mog, shiva and ramuh are elder primals, they are lesser primals iirc. The elder primals that we know of so far are: Bahamut and Odin. Both of whom where sealed away until they were freed by the calamity.

Actually we know of one other Elder Primal thanks to the egi version of him we see in the last summoner quest : Belias.

[stuscott]

Healer should open the doors 100% of the time, or else they are lazy. They are literally standing there doing nothing while he charges his attack because no one, including the tank, will take any damage.

Tell this to most healers then - because as a Bard, I end up having to do it every time I run this dungeon - no one EVER steps up. I don't mind doing it, but once in a while, it would nice not to have to. Personally, if it's a WHM, I don't mind, but there's no excuse why a SCH can't open doors since the fairy can pretty much heal the whole fight by itself.