Sightseeing...

[Nukocafe]

this is how i spent about 9 hours of my day today




seriously, this is stupid. that spot isn't a "view"

I think the problem is they said this would be a fun thing for "noborists" which basically means "those who love to climb random places."
It has actually nothing to do with sight seeing. It has more to do with "finding weird places to climb on top of." So of course it makes sense you climb on some weird lamp post or wall that you would normally just pass by.

[Wobble]

I have to agree I expected something more fun and enjoyable. Not something equivalent to fate grinding and then you only get a crap minion for all the trouble, I was thinking maybe xp, Gil, seals or something worthwhile.

[Gramul]

And when that is, people have no way to knowing.

Now, I've only done a grand total of one so far, so you'll have to forgive my lack of experience. But from what I've gathered from the ones I've read, there's context clues for the right time and weather from the riddles themselves.

No, they should be about fun.

I don't see why can't they be about more than just fun? Life is filled with experiences. Why not a virtual life?
Maybe it's because I took photography at one point, maybe it's because I've never minded waiting or relaxing, but I actually enjoy those quiet moments to soak up my surroundings.
We should have fun yes, but we can also be frustrated, we can feel relief, we can feel happy, sad, relaxed, curious, and angry. We shouldn't have to rely on just a narrative to give us emotions other than fun. I feel that game mechanics can be enriching too.

I don't know why you quoted my avatar.

No they don't, That's why there's a log you have to decipher, and that requires you to walk and check the ground for a 1x1 square that activates the event. You don't stump on it randomly, you do it.

And even if you do stump on it randomly, good luck getting 80 logs with the right weather, time, and emote for all the 80 logs by "Happening across them".

I think you misinterpreted this part. He was saying how he solves the riddles and writes down the solutions for later when he happens to be around the area at the appropriate setting, and I think that's a good way to approach it. Or at least that's how I interpreted it. If you could log it once you figured out where you need to stand (Like, say, a vista is revealed on the map once you touch it) it might help with people's frustrations.

In the end I'm just trying to play devils advocate for a bonus feature no one was expecting at all. If there's a way we can make it more intuitive, like marking the areas once you discover them and maybe things like
interiors not needing weather, then yes, go for it. Otherwise, I just don't think it's worth all the heated complaints, especially with a world of more rewarding content to peruse.

[Mjollnir]

Now, I've only done a grand total of one so far, so you'll have to forgive my lack of experience. But from what I've gathered from the ones I've read, there's context clues for the right time and weather from the riddles themselves.

For about 50% of them. The other 50% are random trial-and-error (or you go look it up). Not that I mind.

[Lucke]

I've been seeing several locations with dumb clues, maybe mistranslated....and that's always nice. There's a location in the shroud, the log actually says "Clear Days", but no, actually it's "Fair" not clear. But "clear" is a type of weather. So The log says Clear, you go there during clear weather and don't get the update because apparently now, Clear = fair and fair = clear, but Sometimes fair = fair and clear = clear...WTF SE.

[Nalien]

Asking the weather NPC that come with 2.3

So... Lets trade sitting at the vista waiting for weather/time, for sitting at a random NPC waiting for weather/time? Brilliant.

Have you people ever actually been sightseeing before? Honestly...

I think the best part of people actually defending this (other than the fact that they're actually defending that there is a difference between the Leatherworkers Guild based on weather), is that they're apparently ignorant of the fact that you can view a vista however you want. If they made it so you don't have to wait for weather/time, the smug little amateur photographer inside you can wait for teh perfect scene. Given the vast amount of hate leveled at this single decision, what possible reason is there to keep it this way?

[Kjima]

My biggest problem with this system is a direct consequence of this problem. Since you have to wait at a specific spot for a long time, you'll often see a mob of people clustered together, which ruin any views you could have had, and defeat the purpose of the whole thing.

And it also completely destroys any sense of "realism" and immersion. While I'm casually walking through the city and enjoying the sights by myself, and I suddenly come across 30 people fused together into an abomination on top of a lamp, doing absolutely nothing, it just ruins everything, and looks completely ridiculous.

I have to wonder what the hell is SE doing? Why are they relying so much on RNG for such a menial task, and something that's supposed to be enjoyable? It ruins all the fun, the immersion...

[Codek]

My biggest problem with this system is a direct consequence of this problem. Since you have to wait at a specific spot for a long time, you'll often see a mob of people clustered together, which ruin any views you could have had, and defeat the purpose of the whole thing.

And it also completely destroys any sense of "realism" and immersion. While I'm casually walking through the city and enjoying the sights by myself, and I suddenly come across 30 people fused together into an abomination on top of a lamp, doing absolutely nothing, it just ruins everything, and looks completely ridiculous.

I have to wonder what the hell is SE doing? Why are they relying so much on RNG for such a menial task, and something that's supposed to be enjoyable? It ruins all the fun, the immersion...

That's kinda of an issue that tends to work itself out over time. 2 weeks from now, I doubt you will stumble across a situation where 10 people are standing on a stump for these objectives.

Since there really is no rush for completing these, I'd say to just wait out the surge for a bit to truly get the immersion from the trials.

[Kjima]

That's kinda of an issue that tends to work itself out over time. 2 weeks from now, I doubt you will stumble across a situation where 10 people are standing on a stump for these objectives.

Since there really is no rush for completing these, I'd say to just wait out the surge for a bit to truly get the immersion from the trials.

I hope so, but seeing as it's RNG, and some people are not doing it right now, I think it'll be like for quite some time...

[Orophin]

The idea is fine in this game, it's just their implementation of it that fails.

Had it been a simple case of just visiting the locations without camping time/weather, I'd be completing the log right now, rather than complaining on the interwebs.

So in other words, you're mad that you couldn't finish this within 2 hours of the patch launching?

Sightseeing is the stupidest thing I have ever seen in any video game. Is Tanaka back in charge now?

This is something people asked for. SE listening to user feedback and responding - damned if they do, damned if they don't.