How are you handling your Novus upgrade?

[KuroganeAre]

MNK: Acc/Crit\Det

[Yonko]

HPS is a virtual value with no relevant meaning and that slight difference on MP per heal because you didn't choose Det is so neglictible. Keylas thoughts are the same as mine and they're practically relevant, the faster the heal is out of your crook the better. I'll also go 33 PIE and 41 SS and wanna have a SS / PIE focused build.
Well people will quesion it because some theorycrafters computed that you have a slightly higher HPS with DET instead of SS, which is right. However, HPS is no relevant value. +-75 heal on a cure 2 doesn't make or break the game (otherwise the mistake happened before) but getting a heal out 0.25 faster than normal is a speed increase of roughly 12,5% in case of Cure 1/2. Use your own brain, and question when others pray something as ultimate wisdom.

At the end of the day, there aren't big differences at all it's just a matter of personal taste, as long as all ppl stay alive your job is done, doesn't matter how you reached this goal. And don't forget, the HA Weapon has SS+PIE also

It has nothing to due with HPS for why I don't like SS it is 100% the fact that the .25s I'm saving isn't needed in most cases. Granted the +75 cure from DET isn't needed But it is useful more often than the .25s saved.

So continue gearing for that .1% situations I'll keep gearing for the other 99.9% and should that .1% cause a wipe then you know what I'll just get up and try again. I understand the concept of SS and when I played FFXI I had every piece of gear that lowered my cast/recast as a healer but the fights there were more random. In this game the fights are mostly timed and you can precast the cures which makes SS even less useful because changing your SS can screw up your timings. I know first hand since I just got the HA gloves (from soldiery) and the extra SS has messed up my timings for precasting cure3 to heal right after the damage hits.

[Grotesque]

It wasn't meant rude I meant when someone is rude to you because you do another allocation you can safely ignore them because it is no gamebreaker

[Staris]

Well people will quesion it because some theorycrafters computed that you have a slightly higher HPS with DET instead of SS, which is right.

The last people I saw who theorycrafted det vs ss did it at a much lower item level.
The effectiveness of det decreases with an increase in WD, MND and DET. While SS value increases with an increase in those same values.
Inevitably, and most likely already, SS is/will be better.

[Grotesque]

The last people I saw who theorycrafted det vs ss did it at a much lower item level.
The effectiveness of det decreases with an increase in WD, MND and DET. While SS value increases with an increase in those same values.
Inevitably, and most likely already, SS is/will be better.

Wow, nice to read a non-condescending post of you

@Yonko: Yes you're right with the precast stuff, however it boils down to the fact that with more and more SS stacked I can simply push out more than you in the same timeframe or achieve the same output in less time, which can for example help at T9 golems with DPS.

[Soyre_Monre]

Got now my book: 40 Critical 20 Det 15 Pie
Maybe 31 det could be better, but 600k/IV it's too expansive for me and i don't think i'll feel a real difference. And i actually really like it while waiting my T9 book >_>.

[winsock]

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This isn't correct. Det isnt impacted by mind. An increase in magic dmg increases the effectiveness of det.

Its also important to consider weight in relation to secondary point totals and ilvl. Novus allows 75 points. Usually items of the same ilvl have fewer total number of secondary points when some of those points are in det or pie. Ex allagan cane i95 vs weathered yagrush i100. wy has a higher ilvl but a fewer number of secondary points because the points it has have greater weight. Novus is unique in that it caps the max value of secondary stats, but not the total number of points, so you get more for the ilvl w/ points that have a heavier weight, like det.

[Kelya]

The ss on thyrus would improve your time by about 0.04 or 0.05 depending on where your ss is at to being with. You only benefit from it your target would have otherwise died 0.04-0.05 seconds after your cast, and if you couldn't otherwise blow a cooldown. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I'm cutting it so close that I wish I would have casted 0.04 seconds sooner.

Exactly as you just said, "depending on where your ss is at to being with", I'm benefiting from it more or less. Sure I only gain 0,04s with the weapon. The fact is you do not have to look after the adding weapon, but after the final result. And the final result isn't 0,04s of reduction on each spell but 0,25s. It's not because I chose SS on my novus that it's not the same point of view when you add another stat. They all need A LOT OF POINTS to be efficient a minimum.

So, I totally agree with you about the fact you will never wish you would have casted 0.04 seconds sooner, but you could assume you would maybe wish you would have casted 0,25s sooner, and much more as long as you'll stack the stat.

And not to remind you that when you add 44 crit, you only gain 1,46% healing. When you add 44 det, you only gain 1,60% healing and adding 44 SS, you only gain 2,5% spell speed on each cast. (approximatively with ilvl 100 geared, ofc numbers increase with WD, but it seems the more MND you get, the less DET affects your heals).

So I just can answer you "why would you stack 44 DET knowing you only gain less than 2% healing ?" Oh yeah, because HPS or HPM and I'm alright with your choice.

The thing that annoys me is that most ppl just says "you need tooooooo much SS to actually see the effects of it". And I'll just answer : you need as much CRIT or DET to see the effects of it. Maybe these ppl just looked 1 time on the GCD and cast time with few SS and concluded that was an useless stat, but they probably didn't try to stack this stat to see a big difference.

I'm just saying this because I feel like this stat is underestimated compared to the others and ppl who didn't try it may not want to spend time to try it later after hearing by a lot of ppl it's useless...

I won't argue more, but think about the game, and just wonder yourself why is this stat existing then if it's not worth it ? Why one of the fairy of the SCH job has a buff giving an extra +30% Spell Speed / Skill Speed permanently (assuming your SCH is able to use this fairy) ?

(not trying to mean SS is better than the others stats, only meaning it's worth as much as the others)

[winsock]

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I meant not every point of ss reduces your cast time. Its reduced after you meet certain thresholds, so the impact will be at least 0.04 but might be 0.05 depending on your current ss.

The difference is the number of times you benefit from the points. you can't stack 44 det on novus for balance reasons. Det benefits nearly every heal. SS 0.04s isn't giving a benefit prolly close to 100% of the time.

All u get is 0.04-0.05 from novus. If you agree that you would never wish you had casted 0.04s sooner, what difference does it make whether you cast 0.21 seconds faster or 0.25s faster?

Det heal value remains static when mind changes. The ratio is affected. Also, mind usually won't inc w/o being able to add more det / md

Chain casting (dps) benefit from from Selene's buff. Also note that typically an items total number of secondary points is reduced when det is a stat compared to a stat like ss/crit, novus is an exception.

[KingOfAbyss]

Thinking maybe ask in the tank forum and not the healer one?

My bad.

Just double-checked to see I was in Healer Roles. I was focused on the thread title only.

Thanks for the help.