How are you handling your Novus upgrade?

[winsock]

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Lol cause loadstone changes the way math works? Ur deflecting.

I'll try to explain one more time.
What you were measuring:
How much of the hps is made of mind and how much of the hps is made of det.

What you should be measuring:
How much det and equivalent ss for ilvl increase hps from a baseline.

As a stat in general there are other things to consider. SS has nearly null impact on hots, dots, and insta-casts. Cooldowns can make up for lack of ss. The 0.04s from novus compared to a 2.5s base cast, 2 full mins of chain casting would not even equate to 1 additional cast

[Grotesque]

Lol cause loadstone changes the way math works? Ur deflecting.

I'll try to explain one more time.
What you were measuring:
How much of the hps is made of mind and how much of the hps is made of det.

What you should be measuring:
How much det and equivalent ss for ilvl increase hps from a baseline.

As a stat in general there are other things to consider. SS has nearly null impact on hots, dots, and insta-casts. Cooldowns can make up for lack of ss. The 0.04s from novus compared to a 2.5s base cast, 2 full mins of chain casting would not even equate to 1 additional cast

Novus alone not. A SS-focused build by wearing complete HA is noticeable. As with any other secondary stat, it gets its weigth by stacking a build around it. And Novus / HA Weapon deliver their part greatly.

[winsock]

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Novus in particular is an exception because the stats don't have weight considerations in relation to the total number of secondary points.

Consider 44 points spent:
44 ss
Vs
31 det + 13 ss.

The det option has higher burst, higher hps, better hots + dots, and better mp efficiency, and misses out on ~0.03 reduction in cast time. Both options still allow 31 more points to be chosen.

[Staris]

Lol cause loadstone changes the way math works? Ur deflecting.


As a stat in general there are other things to consider. SS has nearly null impact on hots, dots, and insta-casts. Cooldowns can make up for lack of ss. The 0.04s from novus compared to a 2.5s base cast, 2 full mins of chain casting would not even equate to 1 additional cast

If megaflare is coming in 10 seconds and I have to stone skin 4, because an extra person because they just ate some damage, that .04 seconds lets me get it off before flare compared to not having it. 2.5 vs 2.46 for example.

Your 1 additional cast is meaningless because most encounters its about timing abilities not about how many you can cast. But you wouldn't understand this having done zero relevant challenging encounters in the game.

How does det help me with that stoneskin?

[winsock]

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I'll start by saying I'm glad ur giving examples and appreciate the discussion. I'm not opposed to changing my mind, but have yet to see the value in ss.

As for your example, your scenario is wrong. The base cast time of stoneskin is 3 seconds, but I understand what you're trying to say so I'll rearrange the scenario. Let's say 12 seconds to cast stoneskin on 4 ppl.

My problem with ss is that the benefit requires pretty specific/random-ish circumstances while the det benefit is nearly every time you heal or dps (I view ss in a similar light as crit).

For example, say you only needed to stoneskin 1-3 in 12s instead of 4. The scenario only works in your favor if you can't cast any sooner, you've already blown swiftcast, and you've already blown PoM. You could go the entire fight having lower heals and mp efficiency, without ever running into this very specific scenario.

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

got my Thyrus Novus.
I went +33 Pie +29 Det +10 Sp.Spd +3 Crit

My reasons:

At +33 Pie +22 Det It is already equal to the Yagrush with 20 stats remaining to be infused.

+29 Det puts it on equal Det as your Animus. This makes it better than the Yagrush. Yagrush Stats+Animus Det= with 13 stats remaining to be infused

now i thought about maxing out det but... I dont feel like spending 1m+ (savage might IV hovers around 500k on Coeurl) hoping for +2 det. So what made me decided on how to use my last 13 stats was the fact that the stats i put on now will grow with the wep from now on (I dont see a point where further down the line you would remove the stats you already worked hard to put on it and instead will take quest to improve the already infused stats.)

I dont believe crit isn't 100% bad. As long as it isn't very high on a whm, that 1 random crit can save a life. Also crit when you're dpsing is nice.

Sp.Spd isn't too bad either. helps get off that spell in the nick of time sometimes (though almost un noticable lol)

so i wanted crit to be about a 3rd of sp.spd and went 3/10. So down the line as my wep grows through the relic quest: pie always upgrades at max, det at about 90%, and sp.spd and crit growing at a small but non overwhelming amount. besides, its nice seeing 7 stats growing with my weapon lol

[Estellios]

I did 34 SS, 24 Det, and the rest in Piety on my Thyrus.

Regarding spell speed I at least definitely notice how my character handles when I either go to lower level stuff or when Spiritbonding stuff that drops my SS. I guess the best thing I can compare it to is driving someone else's car... it may be a small difference on paper but it is something you definitely notice after spending a good amount of time with it. It's nice when you get a big upgrade to it and all of a sudden in some fights you are moving out of AOEs and completing casts that you weren't before.

My stat spread was for a couple reasons... obviously the lower cost since I was originally planning to go with T4 SS and Det until i had any failure chance at all but spiritbonding for 2 weeks only gave me one of each. I also wanted the weapon to be decently balanced since the Novus allows you a bit more Secondary stats than a comparable iLevel item and I think that runoff into a 3rd stat is useful as it is easier to build around it to make up for stat deficiencies in available gear in the future. I did want to keep the SS high too as I want to maintain my SS around my current values as I have gotten used to and like how my casting times feel.

I think the argument some people sometimes bring up about not needing piety or spell speed because you should know what's coming up or everything is in a pattern or whatever is irrelevant as you want to improve your gear to take on challenges that you haven't perfected and are still giving you trouble. Both stats give you some more leeway in different ways when still going after a first win and once you perfect a fight your secondary stats generally don't matter in the slightest.

[Viviza]

Some pretty good points about spell speed in here. I definitely notice if my SS dips a little low, even if it's only a few hundredths of a second. It feels sluggish.

So I think there's sold reasoning behind a PIE/SS setup. I'm already heavily vested in PIE/DET but if I were to do it again I would give SS some serious thought.

[Exstal]

As SCH, 42 crit (because broke Crit IVs), det 24 (because cheap), acc 1 (made a mistake), Pie 8 (why not). Then 4 days later, High Allagan book dropped.

[melflomil]

As SCH, 42 crit (because broke Crit IVs), det 24 (because cheap), acc 1 (made a mistake), Pie 8 (why not). Then 4 days later, High Allagan book dropped.

I'm in the same boat 40 crit, 1 pie, 11 ss and 23 determination. No T9 book for me though