How are you handling your Novus upgrade?

[winsock]

Use your own brain, and question when others pray something as ultimate wisdom.

I was giving my opinion about the utility offered by a stat in a videogame. There's no need to be rude. I don't understand why you feel insulted.


The ss on thyrus would improve your time by about 0.04 or 0.05 depending on where your ss is at to being with. You only benefit from it your target would have otherwise died 0.04-0.05 seconds after your cast, and if you couldn't otherwise blow a cooldown. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I'm cutting it so close that I wish I would have casted 0.04 seconds sooner.

You constantly benefit from det so long as you're not over healing (as a side note, the weight of secondary stats to item level is better with det and pie)

I don't see how HA having ss is relevant at all to a discussion about novus. If anything ss on HA is a reason to go out of your way to get novus.

[Kelya]

The ss on thyrus would improve your time by about 0.04 or 0.05 depending on where your ss is at to being with. You only benefit from it your target would have otherwise died 0.04-0.05 seconds after your cast, and if you couldn't otherwise blow a cooldown. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I'm cutting it so close that I wish I would have casted 0.04 seconds sooner.

Exactly as you just said, "depending on where your ss is at to being with", I'm benefiting from it more or less. Sure I only gain 0,04s with the weapon. The fact is you do not have to look after the adding weapon, but after the final result. And the final result isn't 0,04s of reduction on each spell but 0,25s. It's not because I chose SS on my novus that it's not the same point of view when you add another stat. They all need A LOT OF POINTS to be efficient a minimum.

So, I totally agree with you about the fact you will never wish you would have casted 0.04 seconds sooner, but you could assume you would maybe wish you would have casted 0,25s sooner, and much more as long as you'll stack the stat.

And not to remind you that when you add 44 crit, you only gain 1,46% healing. When you add 44 det, you only gain 1,60% healing and adding 44 SS, you only gain 2,5% spell speed on each cast. (approximatively with ilvl 100 geared, ofc numbers increase with WD, but it seems the more MND you get, the less DET affects your heals).

So I just can answer you "why would you stack 44 DET knowing you only gain less than 2% healing ?" Oh yeah, because HPS or HPM and I'm alright with your choice.

The thing that annoys me is that most ppl just says "you need tooooooo much SS to actually see the effects of it". And I'll just answer : you need as much CRIT or DET to see the effects of it. Maybe these ppl just looked 1 time on the GCD and cast time with few SS and concluded that was an useless stat, but they probably didn't try to stack this stat to see a big difference.

I'm just saying this because I feel like this stat is underestimated compared to the others and ppl who didn't try it may not want to spend time to try it later after hearing by a lot of ppl it's useless...

I won't argue more, but think about the game, and just wonder yourself why is this stat existing then if it's not worth it ? Why one of the fairy of the SCH job has a buff giving an extra +30% Spell Speed / Skill Speed permanently (assuming your SCH is able to use this fairy) ?

(not trying to mean SS is better than the others stats, only meaning it's worth as much as the others)

[winsock]

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I meant not every point of ss reduces your cast time. Its reduced after you meet certain thresholds, so the impact will be at least 0.04 but might be 0.05 depending on your current ss.

The difference is the number of times you benefit from the points. you can't stack 44 det on novus for balance reasons. Det benefits nearly every heal. SS 0.04s isn't giving a benefit prolly close to 100% of the time.

All u get is 0.04-0.05 from novus. If you agree that you would never wish you had casted 0.04s sooner, what difference does it make whether you cast 0.21 seconds faster or 0.25s faster?

Det heal value remains static when mind changes. The ratio is affected. Also, mind usually won't inc w/o being able to add more det / md

Chain casting (dps) benefit from from Selene's buff. Also note that typically an items total number of secondary points is reduced when det is a stat compared to a stat like ss/crit, novus is an exception.

[Kelya]

Chain casting (dps) benefit from from Selene's buff

Wooohh... Why do you only confess about DPS benefit, but not Healing benefit ? Same for melee DPS, since you're only talking about ranged DPS (chain casting).

The description buff is clear though, this means it's benefiting ANY character having Spell Speed OR Skill Speed.

Just because YOU don't use SS on your heal doesn't mean that the other healers don't benefit from Selene's buff.

[KuroganeAre]

MNK: Acc/Crit\Det

[Grotesque]

It wasn't meant rude I meant when someone is rude to you because you do another allocation you can safely ignore them because it is no gamebreaker

[Soyre_Monre]

Got now my book: 40 Critical 20 Det 15 Pie
Maybe 31 det could be better, but 600k/IV it's too expansive for me and i don't think i'll feel a real difference. And i actually really like it while waiting my T9 book >_>.

[winsock]

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You say I'm wrong but then restate what I said earlier... albeit substantially more wordy. All that changes is the ratio... If 1 det = 1hp before a mind change, 1 det will still be 1 HP after a change in mind. The effect doesnt change. MND does not affect det.

You do realize you're comparing proportions and not effectiveness, right? (Note that by ur logic, an increase in det would decrease the effectiveness mind...) By ur logic, ss also reduces the effectiveness of mind. For example, say ur only stat is mind and you have 1000 hps, mind is 100%. Now you add enough ss to reduce ur average cast time by half. Ur hps is now 2000, mind is 50%... Ur just talking about the ratio, not the effectiveness....

Not to mention, this argument is off base. How often is mind increased w/o being able to increase secondary points as well? If you want to make an argument as being better b/c of total mind, you need to compare the same mind amount vs total allowable det and total allowable ss for the ilvl... You also cant make an argument about ilvl 9999 because it doesnt exist and you don't know the implications of other stats at the ilvl in the state the game will be in when ilvl 9999 would be available. You are "counting chickens before they hatch" as it were. And all of this is before taking the realistic impact of ss into the equation.

[Staris]

The proportions are simply to explain that the real value of a stat changes based on your current levels of all other stats. This is fact, not really a debate.

The only debate one could make is if speed has yet to overtake det in per point value.
Which I never even claimed it has yet, only that it was very likely.

My sole comment was that people that say Det is worth X SPD and that value never changes, have no idea what they are talking about.
As you continue to show with your inability to understand that ALL stats have diminishing returns, however, the slopes and relationships are still very different.

Holy... Just searched your loadstone.
Why am I wasting my time lol.