Tell us if you're upgrading SS or not... prior to us Removing it all from our Animi

[Nero]

T8 is probably the only turn in second coil where too much SS can really TP starve you. The other turns have plenty of TP breaks. Regardless of that, should the devs ever actually address SS in any fashion, it most likely will be during a content cycle where Novus will be outdated.

I don't have experienced T8, but i know the fight and can see how there is an TP Issue. But also, wouldn't that make BRD Songs more useful so BRD's actually start using their songs? For now there are times where the answer would be "Why would i cast a song? It is not needed".

[Alkimi]

I don't have experienced T8, but i know the fight and can see how there is an TP Issue. But also, wouldn't that make BRD Songs more useful so BRD's actually start using their songs? For now there are times where the answer would be "Why would i cast a song? It is not needed".

The thing is, BRD's MP pool is better used on Requiem for that fight. You need all the damage you can get. BRD's will use Paeon for a bit, but only really to tide you over until Invigorate is back up, the song also reduces their own damage by 20%.

[Ryans]

I'm aware I can do the sphere scroll over again... it sounds sounds (all speculation) like it'll be horrible to have to do so. And the discussion on Skill Speed & dev requests on its behalf have gone on long enough (imo).

Well they said that you can't redo the scroll in this patch, so that isn't an option yet. As for skill speed making you run out of tp, it hasn't happened to me yet on dragoon in any of the coils and the soldiery gear is loaded with it. Turn 8 seems to be the most tp draining fight in the game so far and it is easily manageable with invigorate and a bard actually uses the tp song occasionally.

So aside from the tp issue that could arise (which doesn't actually arise) the only other issue would be the stat conversion rate. Even that isn't an issue, however, as they have stats valued in comparison to other stats. You might get more benefit point for point from determination, but you also get less of it from gear. Using that Gae Bolg Novus as an example, if you keep the acc stat conversion in crit (as they did, the 40 acc on animus would be 44 on novus. It was just turned into crit) and convert the crit from animus into determination on novus, you would only get 22 determination instead of the 31 crit. Dps-wise, that is about the same. The only real benefit from the stat customization would be from altering the accuracy depending on if you are at the cap or not.

[Nero]

The thing is, BRD's MP pool is better used on Requiem for that fight. You need all the damage you can get. BRD's will use Paeon for a bit, but only really to tide you over until Invigorate is back up, the song also reduces their own damage by 20%.

Sounds fine to me, since with higher SS the other DPS will pull out more DMG after all. So it could even out and while BRD does less dmg, the other DD's will do more. Have to actually test it out, to see if the proper SS amount will encounter the lost BRD damage.

[Ryans]

The thing is, BRD's MP pool is better used on Requiem for that fight. You need all the damage you can get. BRD's will use Paeon for a bit, but only really to tide you over until Invigorate is back up, the song also reduces their own damage by 20%.

Bards and tanks need tp also so the song isn't only for the melee. Even 10 seconds of the tp song is enough to counter the natural tp drain of combos by at least a minute. Add in the fact that the most tp expensive job is monk and that they also do significantly more damage than bards... hell any class for that matter, wouldn't you rather have them doing full damage for as long as possible?

Requiem is nice if you have a summoner I suppose, but blackmage isn't exactly competing in turn 8 damage at the moment.

[Gesser]

Bringing a Bard along shouldn't be 'required' though to make up for a poorly designed statistic.