Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Gallus]

You can say it would break the pattern of SE's treatment regarding fixed secondary stats in weapons but I would hardly go beyond and call it "unbalanced and stupid" Donjo. We are talking about 10 points of Determination. Also, consider the following example about why you might be wrong here. Take any i70 crafted accessory for instance, and compare it with any DL accessory. Those i70 crafted accessories have CAPS too, but capping one secondary stat never decreased the cap of another secondary stat, in that regard, i70 accessories completely destroyed DL accessories and in some situations they were regarded as good as some i90 accessories, but that was only because you could infuse MAIN stats into them (Vitality for instance).
Maybe SE's doing it with the Novus this time, your secondary stats are a bit higher than the ones of a normal i110 except you can't infuse any main stats this time excluding piety.

[Nero]

Maybe SE's doing it with the Novus this time, your secondary stats are a bit higher than the ones of a normal i110 except you can't infuse any main stats this time excluding piety.

Maybe will change with further Progress in the Zodiak Line.

[Arkista]

Ok people really have to stop spreading this false information, I had 3 people talking about it in my LS today. All it's doing is confusing an already confusing system for some people. It doesn't matter what stats the other ilvl110 weapons have capped. If you do Crit/Det on your Novus it will be capped at 44/31 no if and or but about it 44/31. Its a theory backed by info on weapons that have nothing to do with the Relic progression system, Like I said we don't know the next part of the quest, For all we know ilvl115 upgrade might only increase primary stats. And the Theory was already proven to be wrong, No offence. Now the new thing that's about to start floating around, Is if you cap DET @31 then your Crit hit isn't going to be capped at 44?????? Just stop its going to be a long time until anyone fully completes the Novus, Even though Shea is doing a great job He still has 49 to go. People are going to be more pissed when they listen to this and screw up. Materia is 1 for 1, 31DET max and 44Crit Max. So until someone actually finishes a Novus with full DET/Crit and they have lesser stats than what they said, Then this info needs to stop floating around. If it was true the stats hard cap would be lower than what it is. I really think a DEV needs to step in and clear this matter up because its going to be a few weeks before anyone is done, So maybe after E3. Flame me if you want, But info based on other weapons that has nothing to do with Relics shouldn't be spread around.

[JayCommon]

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I'm fine with people speculating, but this thread was supposed to be a compilation of "Thread: Novus weapon upgrade system findings" and basically the last multiple pages is plain conjecture with no absolutely no facts behind it, besides Shea doing an excellent job of posting his Infusions. Nothing in the game states a Relic weapon needs to follow the same stat distribution as other weapons in the game. It is making it very tough to find concrete facts behind this system when I have to browse through all of this baseless nonsense.

The concern is valid (regarding the DET stat weight) but it shouldn't be devolving this thread. I'm sure OP could update his/her cover page better if he/she didn't have to skim through all of the speculation.

[Arkista]

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I don't have much to contribute cause, I'm going down the Crit path first and I already posted those. People are here to find out real info about how it works. My LS had a debate for over an hour on the subject this morning. All it did was confuse others. This whole DET thing is about as valid as Rogue/Ninja using DEX. There is no proof any where that makes either correct, in fact they have both been proven incorrect.

Unless you have proof, what you think and what I/Donjo think have equal weights. Either can be the false information.

Please direct me to where this has been proven either way.

Well here is the proof that DET does not Cap At 22. Again no offence, But what you and Donjo claim is false. The factual evidence is right in the Sphere Scroll, It has the Caps of each stat.

[Donjo]

Ok people really have to stop spreading this false information, I had 3 people talking about it in my LS today.

Wait, so people are discussing theories and opinions on a system that people don't know all of the specifics of yet? Isn't that what communication is for in the first place?

It doesn't matter what stats the other ilvl110 weapons have capped. If you do Crit/Det on your Novus it will be capped at 44/31 no if and or but about it 44/31. Its a theory backed by info on weapons that have nothing to do with the Relic progression system

Sure, the weapons aren't relics. However, there has never been an instance in the game where a weapon of the same iLvl as a Relic has had less weight in secondary stats. For the Zenith, the alternate counterpart was the EX Primal weapons. They're all equal. The Novus has a counterpart as well: The Soldiery weapons. Based on mere precedent, they're sidegrades of each other. I doubt that many people are deliberately copying the exact stats of the i110 Soldiery Weapon with their Novus. The entire point of the Novus is to provide an alternate path to an i110 weapon that doesn't require Coil, not to exceed the strength of these weapons that require skill to obtain.

So until someone actually finishes a Novus with full DET/Crit and they have lesser stats than what they said, Then this info needs to stop floating around.

No, it shouldn't. If there is any reasonable chance that it could work this way, then people need to know to not assume that they'll get 31 Det and 44 of something else. It's called tempering hope, and it'll make those who used this sort of combination that much happier if the weights don't lower the numbers. The possibility exists of either of the two stats lowering because of Determination's weight. Attempting to snuff out this absolutely true information(the possibility is true, we still don't know if it applies to Novus for sure) will not magically ensure that you'll have 31 Det and 44 of another stat.

I really think a DEV needs to step in and clear this matter up because its going to be a few weeks before anyone is done...

Yes, this would be nice, but there seems to be minimal comment on the Zodiac Weapon Questline as a whole. I wouldn't count on it

[Lemon8or]

Well here is the proof that DET does not Cap At 22.

I or Donjo never claimed Determination caps at 22 naturally, aka i110 can only have 22 det on it. We even put out the example of the Book of Spades, i110 with 31 det so the natural cap for Determination is 31. I'm not arguing with you on that. However, what I'm arguing with you about is that 1 or 2 combination of stats on Novus (involving Det and Pie) will allow capping of 2 secondary stats while other combinations will not, for example skill speed and crit, both cap at 44, both can't reach cap of 44 since you only have 75 infusions. I'm done arguing with you. We'll see when Shea or someone finishes a Novus weapon with Det or Pie on it.

[Arkista]

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You have no proof that says one stat or the other will be lowered by maxing them out. But we do have proof on the Sphere Scroll of Hard Caps which says DET caps at 31 and Crit caps at 44. Just because something was one way before doesn't mean it will always be the same. Yes your stats on a ilvl110 are capped out, But that doesn't mean Novus stats are going to be capped out lower than what the Hard Cap says.

[Donjo]

You have no proof that says one stat or the other will be lowered by maxing them out. But we do have proof on the Sphere Scroll of Hard Caps which says DET caps at 31 and Crit caps at 44. Just because something was one way before doesn't mean it will always be the same. Yes your stats on a ilvl110 are capped out, But that doesn't mean Novus stats are going to be capped out lower than what the Hard Cap says.

Since you seem to be unable to be convinced that this is possible, I'll leave you with one final comment. RPGs like this have systems running under them. Sometimes they use numbers we see. Sometimes they don't. The one thing that really matters is that the systems need to be consistent or things can and often will fall apart. The system in question in here is the one running secondary stats on weapons. I've proved that Determination and Piety are treated differently than other stats. I even obtained accurate enough numbers to remove doubt. Every weapon in the entire game having their secondary stat caps set in stone but the Novus is not consistent. That's the problem here, and it's why my theory might be true.

So. Sit down, stop whining, stop debasing theories with other theories, and wait for a Novus that can prove/disprove this to be finished. Or finish one yourself. Either will work.

[Gallus]

I or Donjo never claimed Determination caps at 22 naturally, aka i110 can only have 22 det on it.

But you claimed that if it didn't it would be stupid and unbalanced, which kinda showed how much you discredit anything that differs from your opinion. The irony here is that there are more reasons to think it is going to be a 44/31 than a 44/22...because we have a scroll that shows it...and you have, nothing. Also, I'm going to tell you the same I told Donjo. Take the Astral Ring HQ as an example. It's piety caps at 6, its Critical caps at 12 and it's vitality caps at 9. Can you cap all those stats? Yes you can. Does any of those stats decrease its cap because you cap the other ones? No, it doesn't. Problem? It would probably take millions of gils if you wanted to do so because overmelding + RNG = a nightmare. Also, the Novus has NO precedence. First time you can customize the stats of your relic.