Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Donjo]

So do DET/Piety really give a whole stat point and only use up 1/75 of the sphere scroll capacity?

If that's the case, it seems like any class that wants one of those two stats should stick them on the relic since they're usually more valuable than other stats on a point per point basis, but don't suffer from the weighting penalty that's usually applied when those stats are on other pieces of gear.

It's 100% true that we won't know for sure until someone gets there. However, we know that any i110 weapon with Det or Piety does not have a full 75 points of secondary stats on it. Thus, I think that we'll end up having lower numbers of Det and Piety at the moment of the upgrade despite melding 75 total materia on the scroll. 31 Det infusions will translate to 22 Det on the weapon, and 33 Piety infusions will translate to 24 or 25. At least, that's what I think. It'd be unbalanced if these two stats actually circumvented the 75 point cap we've been presented with, and it would also be unfair if people had to infuse fewer materia based on what stat(s) they chose.

This theory, of course, brings up a question: If you cap both Det and Piety on a scroll, don't they add up to less than 75? Is it actually impossible to just have these two stats on a weapon?

[Alipoprocks]

I think you need to use all 75 to complete it, no?

[Nekodar]

This theory, of course, brings up a question: If you cap both Det and Piety on a scroll, don't they add up to less than 75? Is it actually impossible to just have these two stats on a weapon?

Since the scroll is not counted as fully infused until you have a total of 75 on it, if you cap det and pie, you must add at least a third stat.

[Ryans]

It's 100% true that we won't know for sure until someone gets there. However, we know that any i110 weapon with Det or Piety does not have a full 75 points of secondary stats on it. Thus, I think that we'll end up having lower numbers of Det and Piety at the moment of the upgrade despite melding 75 total materia on the scroll. 31 Det infusions will translate to 22 Det on the weapon, and 33 Piety infusions will translate to 24 or 25. At least, that's what I think. It'd be unbalanced if these two stats actually circumvented the 75 point cap we've been presented with, and it would also be unfair if people had to infuse fewer materia based on what stat(s) they chose.

This theory, of course, brings up a question: If you cap both Det and Piety on a scroll, don't they add up to less than 75? Is it actually impossible to just have these two stats on a weapon?

If this is how it actually plays out and having 31 det materia infused only gives you 22 determination, I will be incredibly disappointed. The other 110 weapons can have 31 crit and 31 det, but novus would be forced into having 22 det and 44 crit. That is just a punch to the teeth and not in the spirit of true stat customization. I'd rather have to infuse more determination materia and get 31 determination than be pigeon-holed into an inferior stat setup.

[Lemon8or]

If this is how it actually plays out and having 31 det materia infused only gives you 22 determination, I will be incredibly disappointed. The other 110 weapons can have 31 crit and 31 det, but novus would be forced into having 22 det and 44 crit. That is just a punch to the teeth and not in the spirit of true stat customization. I'd rather have to infuse more determination materia and get 31 determination than be pigeon-holed into an inferior stat setup.

Most likely it'll be determined based on which maximum stat you get first. Say you max det to 31 first, when finished, you'll have 31 crit but if you max crit to 44 first, when finished, you'll have 22 det.

Don't worry because it won't be like that. If you look at 2.28 patch notes it shows the Gae Bolg Animus with +44/+31 stats, Yes it isn't DET as the other poster said. But why would they allow us to infuse 31/44 and then take away? So until proven otherwise its 31/44 unless you split them up.

Because determination is always weighted more? That's why on all gear of the same ilevel, you'll never find higher determination cap than the other stats caps.

[Arkista]

Because determination is always weighted more? That's why on all gear of the same ilevel, you'll never find higher determination cap than the other stats caps.

I still don't think it would have a lower cap than 31. I'll go jump on the game and check but I'm pretty sure on Sphere Scroll it says 0/31 for DET. So if they were to cap DET why would it say0/31 and not something like 0/22? We'll find out soon enough anyways since Shea is about to be on meld #20 for DET.

[Lemon8or]

I still don't think it would have a lower cap than 31. I'll go jump on the game and check but I'm pretty sure on Sphere Scroll it says 0/31 for DET. So if they were to cap DET why would it say0/31 and not something like 0/22? We'll find out soon enough anyways since Shea is about to be on meld #20 for DET.

It does say 0/31 for Det but all that means is 0/31 Infusion. Until someone finishes all 75 melds assuming 44 crit 31 det, we'll never know for sure. IIRC, there has been no single piece that has secondary stats at caps for more than 1 stat. As for why it says 0/31 instead of 0/22? Probably to make it fair towards other combinations not involving Determination so people all have to meld 75 times.

Oh http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/d348a07bdbe/ Book of spades ilvl110 31DET

But crit is not at maximum of 44. Which is why I'm thinking you'll only be able to max out 1 stat.

I get what you're saying about it, But I don't think SE would do that. If they did it would be screwed up. Probably 2-3 more days and Shea might be done with DET.

Still wouldn't confirm anything if he hasn't maxed crit/acc/sps on it. Even then, he'd need to make it a novus to confirm. It'd be nice if you can have 44 crit 31 det but... it's SE we're talking about and I have less faith in them than you do.

[Arkista]

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I get what you're saying about it, But I don't think SE would do that. If they did it would be screwed up. Probably 2-3 more days and Shea might be done with DET.

[Arkista]

Still wouldn't confirm anything if he hasn't maxed crit/acc/sps on it. Even then, he'd need to make it a novus to confirm. It'd be nice if you can have 44 crit 31 det but... it's SE we're talking about and I have less faith in them than you do.

If it had a cap then why wouldn't it say so? If you look at Piety on Spharia it has a cap of 23, If SE was going to make DET cap at a lower value when finished, Then why even put the cap at 31?

[Lemon8or]

If it had a cap then why wouldn't it say so? If you look at Piety on Spharia it has a cap of 23, If SE was going to make DET cap at a lower value when finished, Then why even put the cap at 31?

Because piety is not a native stat to monk so it's natural that piety cap would be lower. I'd guess spell-speed has a lower cap on Sphairai than Omnilex/Thyrus/Stardust Rod/Veil of Wiyu. This is based from past experience like that one guy assuming piety caps are the same on bard gear vs healer gear while it's not the case a while back.
But like I said, it's all speculation right now. Your guess is as good as mine. No point in arguing about it until someone actually finishes one.
Also, because Determination cap for i110 is actually 31. It doesn't mean you'll be able to cap Determination AND Crit/SkS/SpS/Acc if the Novus follows the general trends of being only capped on 1 stat, see Book of Spades. It also assumes that SE doesn't want people to cap 2 stats if they choose Determination while not being able to cap 2 stats if they do not, for example crit and sps, both can't reach cap of 44 as we only have 75 points.
As speculation again, you have a choice to either do 44 crit 22 det or 31 crit 31 det after 75 melds depending on which one you cap first.