Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[ManweSulimo]

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(EDIT - and by the way I appreciate this analysis)

+10 to SE if they allow the "88 stat points" (31 det, 44 crit) because if this is how it works, then this is the true reward for putting in the grueling hours of effort grinding myth and the lower chances for success with the determination stat. So imo 31 det, 33 pie, 11 ss (by your math 44 + 44 + 11 = 99 stat points) for the BiS thyrus novus.

SE I will be so happy with you if this is the case ^^

[Donjo]

Any theory that 31 points of det leads to 22 of actual stat is just plain bonkers.
It clearly says Determination x/31 and 31 is what you will get if you cap it.

No theory is bonkers until is is proven true or false. Until then, it's just a theory. Likewise, the theory that 31 Det materia = 31 Det no matter what is also a theory until proven true or false.

It's useless to try and disprove such things without proof and it's childish to insult them. I have my evidence of why I think we can't have 44 of one stat and 31 Det. All you have is the number on the scroll UI, which may or may not carry the possibility of changing or may not be at all indicative of what the final stat will be.

[Arkista]

My theory is that infusing 31 "points" of Determination into a weapon will give you 22 of the actual stat at the moment of the Novus upgrade.

Why would Novus have to follow the same pattern as the other ilvl110 weapons? I'm telling you its going to be 31DET cap otherwise it wouldn't say 0/31. If the value was only going to be 22 DET in the final form, then SE would have capped it 0/22, Then a weapon could have been something like 44CRIT, 22DET, 9ACC. I get SE `does a lot of stuff wrong, But I really think if they wanted DET to cap at 22 in the final form they would have put a hard cap of 22 while melding.

[Donjo]

Why would Novus have to follow the same pattern as the other ilvl110 weapons? I'm telling you its going to be 31DET cap otherwise it wouldn't say 0/31. If the value was only going to be 22 DET in the final form, then SE would have capped it 0/22, Then a weapon could have been something like 44CRIT, 22DET, 9ACC. I get SE `does a lot of stuff wrong, But I really think if they wanted DET to cap at 22 in the final form they would have put a hard cap of 22 while melding.

The problem with that is that, either:

1. People who chose Determination get to infuse fewer times to get to the total weight of 75
or
2. Anyone who chooses Determination gets to exceed the 75 point cap.

Either way, there's an imbalance. People either complain about "we need Determination to finish this in a timely fashion and it sucks for my class!" or "our Novus is useless unless we have Determination? WTF SE!"

My equations above showed that 31 can equal 22 and 44 can equal 31. Only time will answer the question of what the stats will do in the final hour.

[Arkista]

snip.

I think you are looking into the value of the stat more than what is actually being applied to the scroll. 31 melds of DET+ 44 melds of CRIT= 75. We will need 75 Alexandrite to complete a novus. I'm not sure how someone would be done faster by doing DET over another stat. It doesn't matter the stat combo 75 melds in total will be needed.

So don't look at it like 1 DET= 1.41, Look at the value the meld adds to the Scroll. There isn't a hidden number behind it when melding, So melding 5 det is going to be 5 points not 7.05.

Also we don't know what the next part of the relic quest is going to be, So the way this could be working as intended.

[Gallus]

Whether it's 22 determination or 31...not gonna make a huge difference honestly, isn't 9 points of determination like one point and a half of a main damange point xD? (Int,Dex, Mnd or STR). I agree with the above poster, they should really allow for things like 44 crit and 31 det for two reasons:

1 - The relic quest is tedious as hell. Might as well keep people happy after doing them.
2 - It would be less confusing.

If people start slotting materia and after they reach 31 det it says 22 det in their weapons people are gonna be confused (and disappointed, not like it takes a couple hours to do this Novus thing xD). But Donjo totally has a point, Det and piety always appear to have more weigh on equipment than the other stats, so it could perfectly be 22 det instead of 31 (though again, in my humble opinion, that would be confusing
Only time will tell who's right. My money is on 31 DET (have faith guys!)

[Arkista]

But Donjo totally has a point, Det and piety always appear to have more weigh on equipment than the other stats, so it could perfectly be 22 det instead of 31 (though again, in my humble opinion, that would be confusing
Only time will tell who's right. My money is on 31 DET (have faith guys!)

Yes they are correct, But I don't think SE would screw it up like that. My thing is, if DET is going to be capped @22 in the final form why allow us to meld 31? Because I know when I finish this, I would be pissed if I lose 9 points, I could have used on another stat.

[Donjo]

Yes they are correct, But I don't think SE would screw it up like that. My thing is, if DET is going to be capped @22 in the final form why allow us to meld 31? Because I know when I finish this, I would be pissed if I lose 9 points, I could have used on another stat.

If my theory is true, I've provided the reason for having to still meld 31 several times: It would be unfair for some people to not have to meld 75 times. It would also be even more confusing if every meld of a weighted stat mysteriously decreased the total number of melds you could do.

[Gallus]

Yes they are correct, But I don't think SE would screw it up like that. My thing is, if DET is going to be capped @22 in the final form why allow us to meld 31? Because I know when I finish this, I would be pissed if I lose 9 points, I could have used on another stat.

The thing is...what Donjo means is...you meld 31 materia in Det and get 22 Det. If you happen to meld 22 materia in Det you'd probably get around 15 Det or something. But let's hope not.

[Viore]

It would be unfair for some people to not have to meld 75 times.

i dont get that...and i think Arkista doesnt as well.
where is the disadvantage or better to ask...how should it be possible, that someone has not to meld 75 times? u have to infuse 75 materia with 75 alexandrit. it doesnt even matter what materia. u have to meld 75 times, and there is no way that u can meld less to complete the scroll, or am i missing sth again?