Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Arkista]

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I don't have much to contribute cause, I'm going down the Crit path first and I already posted those. People are here to find out real info about how it works. My LS had a debate for over an hour on the subject this morning. All it did was confuse others. This whole DET thing is about as valid as Rogue/Ninja using DEX. There is no proof any where that makes either correct, in fact they have both been proven incorrect.

Unless you have proof, what you think and what I/Donjo think have equal weights. Either can be the false information.

Please direct me to where this has been proven either way.

Well here is the proof that DET does not Cap At 22. Again no offence, But what you and Donjo claim is false. The factual evidence is right in the Sphere Scroll, It has the Caps of each stat.

[Lemon8or]

Well here is the proof that DET does not Cap At 22.

I or Donjo never claimed Determination caps at 22 naturally, aka i110 can only have 22 det on it. We even put out the example of the Book of Spades, i110 with 31 det so the natural cap for Determination is 31. I'm not arguing with you on that. However, what I'm arguing with you about is that 1 or 2 combination of stats on Novus (involving Det and Pie) will allow capping of 2 secondary stats while other combinations will not, for example skill speed and crit, both cap at 44, both can't reach cap of 44 since you only have 75 infusions. I'm done arguing with you. We'll see when Shea or someone finishes a Novus weapon with Det or Pie on it.

[Gallus]

I or Donjo never claimed Determination caps at 22 naturally, aka i110 can only have 22 det on it.

But you claimed that if it didn't it would be stupid and unbalanced, which kinda showed how much you discredit anything that differs from your opinion. The irony here is that there are more reasons to think it is going to be a 44/31 than a 44/22...because we have a scroll that shows it...and you have, nothing. Also, I'm going to tell you the same I told Donjo. Take the Astral Ring HQ as an example. It's piety caps at 6, its Critical caps at 12 and it's vitality caps at 9. Can you cap all those stats? Yes you can. Does any of those stats decrease its cap because you cap the other ones? No, it doesn't. Problem? It would probably take millions of gils if you wanted to do so because overmelding + RNG = a nightmare. Also, the Novus has NO precedence. First time you can customize the stats of your relic.

[Donjo]

Ok people really have to stop spreading this false information, I had 3 people talking about it in my LS today.

Wait, so people are discussing theories and opinions on a system that people don't know all of the specifics of yet? Isn't that what communication is for in the first place?

It doesn't matter what stats the other ilvl110 weapons have capped. If you do Crit/Det on your Novus it will be capped at 44/31 no if and or but about it 44/31. Its a theory backed by info on weapons that have nothing to do with the Relic progression system

Sure, the weapons aren't relics. However, there has never been an instance in the game where a weapon of the same iLvl as a Relic has had less weight in secondary stats. For the Zenith, the alternate counterpart was the EX Primal weapons. They're all equal. The Novus has a counterpart as well: The Soldiery weapons. Based on mere precedent, they're sidegrades of each other. I doubt that many people are deliberately copying the exact stats of the i110 Soldiery Weapon with their Novus. The entire point of the Novus is to provide an alternate path to an i110 weapon that doesn't require Coil, not to exceed the strength of these weapons that require skill to obtain.

So until someone actually finishes a Novus with full DET/Crit and they have lesser stats than what they said, Then this info needs to stop floating around.

No, it shouldn't. If there is any reasonable chance that it could work this way, then people need to know to not assume that they'll get 31 Det and 44 of something else. It's called tempering hope, and it'll make those who used this sort of combination that much happier if the weights don't lower the numbers. The possibility exists of either of the two stats lowering because of Determination's weight. Attempting to snuff out this absolutely true information(the possibility is true, we still don't know if it applies to Novus for sure) will not magically ensure that you'll have 31 Det and 44 of another stat.

I really think a DEV needs to step in and clear this matter up because its going to be a few weeks before anyone is done...

Yes, this would be nice, but there seems to be minimal comment on the Zodiac Weapon Questline as a whole. I wouldn't count on it

[Arkista]

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You have no proof that says one stat or the other will be lowered by maxing them out. But we do have proof on the Sphere Scroll of Hard Caps which says DET caps at 31 and Crit caps at 44. Just because something was one way before doesn't mean it will always be the same. Yes your stats on a ilvl110 are capped out, But that doesn't mean Novus stats are going to be capped out lower than what the Hard Cap says.

[Donjo]

You have no proof that says one stat or the other will be lowered by maxing them out. But we do have proof on the Sphere Scroll of Hard Caps which says DET caps at 31 and Crit caps at 44. Just because something was one way before doesn't mean it will always be the same. Yes your stats on a ilvl110 are capped out, But that doesn't mean Novus stats are going to be capped out lower than what the Hard Cap says.

Since you seem to be unable to be convinced that this is possible, I'll leave you with one final comment. RPGs like this have systems running under them. Sometimes they use numbers we see. Sometimes they don't. The one thing that really matters is that the systems need to be consistent or things can and often will fall apart. The system in question in here is the one running secondary stats on weapons. I've proved that Determination and Piety are treated differently than other stats. I even obtained accurate enough numbers to remove doubt. Every weapon in the entire game having their secondary stat caps set in stone but the Novus is not consistent. That's the problem here, and it's why my theory might be true.

So. Sit down, stop whining, stop debasing theories with other theories, and wait for a Novus that can prove/disprove this to be finished. Or finish one yourself. Either will work.

[Xine]

I'd just ignore them at this point. Constantly arguing and attempting to build hope where it will possibly destroy what some people may be hoping for is a good way to have people form a negative opinion about you. Personally, I'd like to see Shea's weapon come closer to finishing so I can figure out if I want to put Det as my secondary attribute or stick with Acc and build up my Crit to 44 first for 31 Acc. Having 31 Det sure as hell would be great and all, but I do NOT have that much faith in SE's programming to fully allow for 44Crit and 31Det when its obvious on every single piece of equipment in the game that Det has a lower cap than the other secondary attributes. Sure, its proven that 31 Det is the cap for Det on i110 weapons, and it very well could wind up being 44/31 Crit/Det, but again, I do not have that much faith in SE's programming and how their "hidden numbers" work for it to wind being this way. I'd rather wind up seeing this 44/22 Crit/Det idea turn out to be false than go with the idea of 44/31 Crit/Det and wind up being disappointed because someone wanted to be so adamant about it being true that it turns out to just be giving people false hope.

[LunarEmerald]

I'd just ignore them at this point. Constantly arguing and attempting to build hope where it will possibly destroy what some people may be hoping for is a good way to have people form a negative opinion about you. Personally, I'd like to see Shea's weapon come closer to finishing so I can figure out if I want to put Det as my secondary attribute or stick with Acc and build up my Crit to 44 first for 31 Acc. Having 31 Det sure as hell would be great and all, but I do NOT have that much faith in SE's programming to fully allow for 44Crit and 31Det when its obvious on every single piece of equipment in the game that Det has a lower cap than the other secondary attributes. Sure, its proven that 31 Det is the cap for Det on i110 weapons, and it very well could wind up being 44/31 Crit/Det, but again, I do not have that much faith in SE's programming and how their "hidden numbers" work for it to wind being this way. I'd rather wind up seeing this 44/22 Crit/Det idea turn out to be false than go with the idea of 44/31 Crit/Det and wind up being disappointed because someone wanted to be so adamant about it being true that it turns out to just be giving people false hope.

Talk to the guy at north shroud. He can show you what your stats will be based on what you've already infused.

It's 1:1.

[Donjo]

Talk to the guy at north shroud. He can show you what your stats will be based on what you've already infused.

It's 1:1.

That's fine, and a good measure of progress. However, nobody has tried this while their scroll has less than 75 infusions but more than 75 points of stat weight infused. We'll have to wait until more infusions get performed on a relevant scroll to prove this, unfortunately.

EDIT: Are any Paladins actively working on a Holy Shield that will contain Determination? That will be the quickest way to find out!

Unweighted is 13 of a Stat and 9 Determination.

Weighted is 13 of a Stat and 6 Determination
or 9 of a Stat and 9 Determination

[Xine]

Talk to the guy at north shroud. He can show you what your stats will be based on what you've already infused.

It's 1:1.

Tell me that when its been confirmed with a completed Novus weapon and I'll believe it, until then its nothing but text that's already been proven to not give you ALL of the information that's required "by players" to be able to completely understand how a quest works. Call the previous lack of descriptions bugs or typos it doesn't matter. But until this is proven one way or another, I don't encourage anyone to believe the text letter by letter.

And just as well, I dont think this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but the game can not predict how you will meld your scroll. Nobody has compeletely melded up Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry on their weapon yet, so it goes without saying that the game could just show you the actual caps of the two attributes that are partially melded on the scroll. In which case, say you have 31 or lower for Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry on your weapon and 22 or lower Det, the game does not know if you're going to continue melding more Det, or add more to Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry instead. But even then, you can have a mixture of up to a maximum of 5 different attributes so regardless of how you -want- to meld it, does not mean the game can actually foresee what you will absolutely get at the end until Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry IS capped on the weapon before it gives you a set in stone number value for Det. I think a lot of people have over looked this little fun fact in their arguments.

However, its entirely possible that Novus weapons can exceed the current idea of what an i110 weapon will have on it since it uses Materia to increase/alter the attributes. All crafted equipment has specific caps per attribute, but NOT an overall total cap between secondary attributes. Since there is going to be a ton of speculation on this, its best to keep the speculation down to a minimum until one is completely finished and can give concrete evidence as to whether or not you can cap Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry to 44 AND Det/Pie to 31.

Something people are being blinded by is their own ideas about what this quest will ultimately come down to as far as how different or similar the Novus is compared to the other weapons in the game currently. None of us are actually saying "Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry will cap at 44 and after that Det/Pie can only cap at 22. We are only saying that you should not get your hopes up that you WILL get 44 Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry and 31 Det/Pie. What's actually going on here is people are getting butthurt that they may not get this and they refuse to believe that.