Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Awrini]

Even if you fail, it's still 100x more casual friendly than both the atma and animus grinds just from the daily. Less time needed for that alexanderite.

[KaitlynOfOz]

I've been reading all the pages so far and so far no one has really commented on the elephant in the room, the requirements for the fate drops.

So to get an Atma item to drop (which bizarrely is still an inventory item and not a key item) you have to have a Zenith weapon equipped. Ok, so you collect 12 and you get your Atma weapon but stop getting Atma drops from Fates and have to actively do fates with a Zenith weapon if you want to collect more Atma to upgrade more relics. Now we have the Novus quest and the Alexandrites only drop with the Animus equipped which when equipped will not have Atmas drop. Conversely to get Atmas you need a Zenith which will make Alexandrites not drop. Does no one see this as a problem or an extension of an already hated grind?

The system should be that I start the Zodiac quest with Zenith and I farm fates for Atma (farm, farm, farm, kill keyboard, farm, farm, farm). Now I have an Atma weapon. Any fate I do should have the same chance for an Atma to drop so I can Atma my remaining Zeniths using my Atma weapon or Zenith weapon. Now I have an Animus weapon and start hunting for Alexandrites which I should also have a chance for Atmas to drop so I can Atma my remaining Zeniths. If I choose to Fate with Zeniths I should still get a chance at Alexandrites since its the highest item in my Zodiac quest line.

To be forced to farm Fates (community has deemed to be a serious problem) not only once but twice for two sets of drops that don't even overlap in their drop rates. All those people who have gone weeks and months without an Atma drop now get to double down on that experience with Alexandrites and this is completely ignoring the Myth farming.

There was a chance here to make an onerous process at least have some benefit, but instead doubled down on it. Sure this weapon is a long term grind for those of us not in Second Coil, but the amount of time most have put into getting just the Atmas, we could have been spiritbinding and selling the Materia and buying T5 farm parties for the drop and even into the Second Coil. This just doesn't seem right.

[Zakalwe]

Many are talking about how the huge expense of buying materia for the novus is a will be a massive gil sink. Actually, it is nothing of the sort, as gil sinks actually remove gil from the game. Well, a tiny sink from the transaction tax, but it is really nothing more than a transfer of gil from players wanting to upgrade their relics to either players who do lots of spirit bonding or, quite often, to RMTs who use bots for the purpose. The RMTs then sell that gil to other players who want to buy their materia, all while making a tidy profit and stealing a bunch of accounts in the process. In fact, to the extent that RMTs ramp up their operations for this new opportunity, it might end up pumping more gil into the game rather than taking out a little bit through transaction costs.

[Awrini]

So we're promoting RMT. Genius.

[PenutButter]

Holy crap, you mean gil will actually be worth something now? Mind blown, and here I thought being rich was just for bragging rights in this game. Oh wait, it probably still is just for bragging rights. And gil sellers are actually a problem in this game? What in the world are people using the gil they bought from RMT for anyways? Seriously.

Just curious though, how many of you actually know for sure how much its gonna take to upgrade the weapons before whining? Though I'm sure many of you would still whine regardless of whether it did take a lot or not, relative to the fact that it should be the 2nd best weapon in the game. Yes, yes, I know, it sucks that they may be making you actually work for your gil; silly SE, why didn't they just take out the entire concept of currency to begin with?

[Bigpurpleharness]

Holy crap, you mean gil will actually be worth something now? Mind blown, and here I thought being rich was just for bragging rights in this game. Oh wait, it probably still is just for bragging rights. And gil sellers are actually a problem in this game? What in the world are people using the gil they bought from RMT for anyways? Seriously.

Just curious though, how many of you actually know for sure how much its gonna take to upgrade the weapons before whining? Though I'm sure many of you would still whine regardless of whether it did take a lot or not, relative to the fact that it should be the 2nd best weapon in the game. Yes, yes, I know, it sucks that they may be making you actually work for your gil; silly SE, why didn't they just take out the entire concept of currency to begin with?

Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but carries are pricey, as are houses.

[blowfin]

To be forced to farm Fates (community has deemed to be a serious problem) not only once but twice for two sets of drops that don't even overlap in their drop rates. All those people who have gone weeks and months without an Atma drop now get to double down on that experience with Alexandrites and this is completely ignoring the Myth farming.

You're not forced to farm FATE's at all. It's purely optional how you approach the weapon:
- Daily quest/Roulette for map
- Buy map with 800 Myth
- Farm FATE's

Personally I think this is much better than pure the myth grind for Animus, if you were to do only the daily quests that's 75 days. If you supplement it with Myth purchased maps and FATE's, it's going to be much quicker. Considering it took me upwards of 60 days to complete my Animus books, this seems pretty reasonable. When you compare it to both Atma and Animus phases (a 10 level rise too) it's WAY less work in total. If you choose to only approach it by grinding FATE's or grinding Myth, then that's YOUR problem, not the development teams.

[AdamuKun322]

I saw those materia prices skyrocket and joined in on it before it busts again.

[AlrikRouge]

I have animus Sheild for my PLD. Sadly, can start the upgrade quest for it, until the weapon is animus.

REALLY wish this is an oversight; but I don't think it is because it's not the weapon. *sigh*

[blowfin]

I have animus Sheild for my PLD. Sadly, can start the upgrade quest for it, until the weapon is animus.

REALLY wish this is an oversight; but I don't think it is because it's not the weapon. *sigh*

Yeah you have to have both done. Makes sense, don't see why PLD should get special treatment over other jobs.