Remove Enrage Timers

[Noahlimits]

This is all my opinion, so try not to take anything as fact.

IMHO, the main reason people are so hardcore about DPS and using things like parsers are because most fights have an enrage timer. Ifrit EX, Titan EX, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T9 all have enrage timers, therefore DPS has to be at a certain number or it's automatic failure. This causes more people to call out and rely on parsers to see who isn't doing at least X damage. If there weren't enrage timers, there would still be higher tier raiders who would want x amount of DPS (to finish fights smoothly), but most of the PF pugs and progression groups wouldn't care as much.

I understand one of the reasons for enrage timers is because otherwise parties would just stock up on 5+ healers to grind out wins in content that they aren't ready for (think t2 enrage). For this reason, I'd suggest locking in required slots for raiding (2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 dps). This would prevent one tanking strategies, but SE has shown that they don't like that in the first place (introducing forced tank swapping stacks, and what brainjack was originally supposed to do in T8 before people found a way to circumvent that).

Personally, I have nothing against enrage timers. However, it doesn't make sense to me that SE won't make their own in battle damage parsers since they put a time based enrage timer. I main a healer, so DPS means very little to me (besides the little dps I do in T6-7-8), but it still doesn't make sense to put a enrage timer and state that they don't want people harassing others due to low dps. Enrage timers are a LARGE reason why people harass others about dps. Getting rid of them won't solve the problem entirely, but it would reduce it considerably.

Would T8 still be tough without an enrage? Sure would, AOE towers + Field still provides a small challenge. Would t9 still be the most difficult fight in the game without a enrage timer? Yup.

Just to be clear, I have never used nor advocate anyone using a parser as long as they're against the TOS. It just seems really weird to have a enrage timer with that in mind. If a mod thinks differently, I emplore them to close this thread or message me so I can edit/delete it.

Anyways, just my two cents.

[Dijana]

Enrage timers stop people wasting hours on something they just can't beat. Ever hear about the LS in FFXI that spent 20 hours trying to beat a boss? SE got huge backlash for that (even though it was the players' own fault for taking it that far) and they ended up putting a 2 hour(?) timer on that fight.

FFXIV isnt that difficult, and it'd eventually come down to bosses being slowly wittled down to death, or healers running out of MP (but there are easy ways to restore it) so really, it would just remove any challenge from it if there werent enrages.

[Noahlimits]

Enrage timers stop people wasting hours on something they just can't beat. Ever hear about the LS in FFXI that spent 20 hours trying to beat a boss? SE got huge backlash for that (even though it was the players' own fault for taking it that far) and they ended up putting a 2 hour(?) timer on that fight.

FFXIV isnt that difficult, and it'd eventually come down to bosses being slowly wittled down to death, or healers running out of MP (but there are easy ways to restore it) so really, it would just remove any challenge from it if there werent enrages.

Name one fight in the game that has the amount of HP and the basic invulnerability as absolute virtue (before nerf, considering scaling of damage done between XI and XIV). There is no such thing in this game and no fight would last 20+ hours. I don't find this to be a very good argument, as no boss as such an amount of HP.

[Silvanoshi]

Personally, I have nothing against enrage timers. However, it doesn't make sense to me to not allow parsers in a game which they put a time based enrage timer. I main a healer, so DPS means very little to me (besides the little dps I do in T6-7-8), but it still doesn't make sense to put a enrage timer and state that they don't want people harassing others due to low dps. Enrage timers are a LARGE reason why people harass others about dps. Getting rid of them won't solve the problem entirely, but it would reduce it considerably.

I have to agree. It is VERY hypocritcal of Square-Enix to add DPS checks in fights and then when people are not performing and fail them, you have no idea who isn't pulling their weight. I do not want enrage timers removed though -- It simplifies gameplay too much. It's very obvious if a healer fails at their role or a tank fails at their role. If Square is worried about harassment, well, it's too late. It's already FRUSTRATING PEOPLE and people are lashing out.

As far as the harassment portion of this --- It's already happening. And all DPS is getting blamed instead of those at fault. Please just let us find the individual and remove them. Yes, they will be chastised. But they will also think twice before entering T5, Titan Ex, Second Coil, ect... because they KNOW people will be able to see their damage output. The community will adjust according to this and those who do not want to improve their DPS will stop going... or make the improvements where needed.

[Archulak]

Just my opinions but getting rid of enrages would just cause more problems. If there's no threat of failure when you don't have enough damage to kill things in a timely manner that's when things like t2 enrage strat crop up. There's always a way to get around things and locking party comp would just be annoying, for a moment imagine you don't have enough heals to do a certain mechanic or your dps is taking forever so the healers are running out of mp. Now bring in 4 THM with cross classed Stone skin and physic, problem solved, since you have 0 worry about killing it in a certain amount of time just have them all using stone skin on the tanks while in umbral and rotate, instant cheese.

[Musashidon]

simple fix report the harrassers being rude because someone is doing low dps is against the rules and should be reported no reason to change things when it's the players who are doing the wrong which is the problem.

[Raenryong]

Enrage timers exist for two purposes;

1. It prevents healer stacking. You could otherwise bring 3-4 healers to every fight and have a much easier time unless there are harsh dps checks throughout.
2. It necessitates a certain level of DPS. Just as tanks must be able to sustain a certain amount of damage and healers must be able to keep their party alive, DPS must be able to output a certain level of damage within a certain timeframe, while handling mechanics.

To remove enrages removes much of the skill of the game (and is why FFXI HNM was such a joke - yes, I know enrages existed in theory but who the heck took sixty minutes to kill Fafhogg for instance? You'd have to be ridiculously slow).

[Nicobo]

..using things like parsers are because most fights have an enrage timer....

If enrage timer and parsers are relevant,
why not just say all contents have time limit so players need parsers? ^^;

[ForteXX]

simple fix report the harrassers being rude because someone is doing low dps is against the rules and should be reported no reason to change things when it's the players who are doing the wrong which is the problem.

What.... doing low damage isnt against the rules

[Musashidon]

What.... doing low damage isnt against the rules

i never said that i said being rude because someone is doing low dps is against the rules.