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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky View Post
    At least the driver has tools to manage his engine temperature, MPH/kph etc where we as players are totally blind. We get a bosses HP bar with no percentage indication aside from us estimating, yet so many mechanics at percentage based.. when you aren't provided with all the tools you need to succeed it is a problem for the designer
    Well that is very different problem than what is high DPS good for, now is it. Perhaps you are thinking about early warning indicators, some sort of animation/animated tell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky View Post
    The objective of the game is what each player decides it is, only bad players decide what the objective is for everyone else. Which is exactly what speed runners do when they don't communicate, and it is also exactly what you are doing right now by telling everyone what the objective of the game is. Yes, I am calling you as bad a player as the people you are calling out
    And what objective have I imposed on anyone? LOL. They have problem with too much DPS, I have a solution ease up on the throttle. It is hardly dictating to them the objective of the game. Call me a bad player, big whoopeedoo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makado View Post
    I'm sure there are other instances to but I'm not thinking of them at the moment.
    Probably the biggest example... CT Bone Dragon.
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    I mean basically it makes fights less enjoyable when you play to your full potential while geared up with the things you have slaved to get. Like, I really enjoy Leviathan EX. But if people play their jobs max potential with gear, it will push through phases and mash things together ruining the experience. I shouldnt have to play like I'm a noob just so the fight "works" right....its dumb.
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    What is so hard about easing up on the throttle and reduce your own DPS? Use it as an opportunity to spirit bond a piece or two for crying out loud. Or better yet help an undergeared noob on the DF or your own FC?

    But NO!!! We haz all this yarn so we must strangle ourselfz!!!
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    Last edited by Foo01; 06-05-2014 at 06:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
    What is so hard about easing up on the throttle and reduce your own DPS? Use it as an opportunity to spirit bond a piece or two for crying out loud. Or better yet help an undergeared noob on the DF or your own FC?

    But NO!!! We haz all this yarn so we must strangle ourselfz!!!
    Not sure if serious. In case of serious, the general goal of an MMORPG is to get stronger. In this game your are penalized for getting stronger. "Don't get stronger because other people are not stronger yet go help them" uhm, no. I will impede my progress and pass on some loot to help a friend or a stranger in need but I should not have to be capped sub par to the top to play the game properly.

    [southernaccent]You've done gone and missed the gosh darned point[/southernaccent].
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    Not sure if serious. In case of serious, the general goal of an MMORPG is to get stronger....
    [southernaccent]You've done gone and missed the gosh darned point[/southernaccent].
    No I have not miss the main point. More DPS is not stronger. Better loot and better gear is not being stronger. Playing well with other people is getting stronger, being able to overcome obstacles is getting stronger. Being more flexible about your play style is getting stronger. This is curve ball, it requires a different approach is all.

    Save DPS for when you need and when it is appropriate. Learn some control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
    No I have not miss the main point. More DPS is not stronger. Better loot and better gear is not being stronger. Playing well with other people is getting stronger, being able to overcome obstacles is getting stronger. Being more flexible about your play style is getting stronger. This is curve ball, it requires a different approach is all.

    Save DPS for when you need and when it is appropriate. Learn some control.
    Better gear for more DPS is quite literally fits into the literal definition of "stronger". By all means go into Coil/Second Coil/EX Primals in a party full of AF and pink accessories and see how "strong" you are overcoming any obstacle.
    Doesn't matter how well you play together when your tank can't even survive a 2 stack MB, let alone survive a tail whip in T7.
    Doesn't matter how well you play together when your dps isn't STRONG enough to kill the boss before an enrage timer.
    Doesn't matter how well you play together when 1100HP Cure II 's can't keep up with the 1300 damage auto attacks, let alone special attacks.

    Stronger gear = Stronger player.
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    There should never be a point where it says "look, I know you worked very hard to get I110. But sorry, if you use that gear and play your class right your gonna lose fights. No. I want to use my hard earned gear to do better damage. To kill a boss faster. To save me time. Not to have a boss kill me because of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makado View Post
    .... if you use that gear and play your class right your gonna lose fights...
    Obviously you didn't use it right. Use that gear ease up on the throttle for a cycle or two. Is that hard to not press the keys/buttons? It is so tempting so hard to resist. Must press..... then BOOM!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makado View Post
    There should never be a point where it says "look, I know you worked very hard to get I110. But sorry, if you use that gear and play your class right your gonna lose fights. No. I want to use my hard earned gear to do better damage. To kill a boss faster. To save me time. Not to have a boss kill me because of that.
    Yeah, this game doesn't scale well with iLevel. Part of it is gear progression is being pushed waaaaaaay to fast. Another part is I think the devs are (hopefully) learning as they go about how to better balance fights.
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