Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Zohar_Lahar]

This is why I'm not looking forward to Alexander.

[Vlady]

This thread suffers from several flaws which once point out changes several points made in the post. Rotations and individual skills playing as the jobs in this game cannot really be placed as the key point of determining victory in hard content because of the ease of cheating in MMO's now. The ability to use software that attaches programs into the game to let you perform rotation perfect dps and speed responsive heals sort of make it impossible to use that as a means of challenge in this day and age. The jump rope mechanic is a necessity as long as cheating is not reigned in.

Another point is muscle memory is genetically different in everyone which is often used as a key term on mastering said jump rope mechanics. As long as people remain different and retain faster or smaller twitch learning skill sets there will always be a majority of people who cannot learn mechanics no matter how you slice it. It is not that people do not get bored of the game from frustration of being gated out of not beating the jump rope mechanic but the way final fantasy 14 was made to casual friendly as a themepark MMO which means that people come in to play and enjoy the rides then go home.

People will log in for the rides and the new shiny stuff because of linear gear progression etc....... The enviroment and different ways to enjoy FF 14 are limited because the system is built to perform the same routine in new enviroments to upgrade gear in a linear fashion that no matter how much new content comes out you can only re package said theme before people get tired of it what-so-ever.

It has always been and will always be the community as a whole that determines the fate of MMO's and right now the MMO genre is seen as a community of negativity and self absorbed personality types. A game with few rules and a large setup for creativity is where the future of gaming is going to take us and a large reason why a possible MMO centered around a game like Minecraft will eventually break out as a new resurgance of up coming next gen MMO's if the genre is to survive intact.

The few MMO's I truly feel had such capabilities like Shadowbane sadly destroyed itself with cheating and extremely harsh penalties in a pure pvp enviroment. Take my thoughts for what its worth since my opinion is just one post in a sea of opinions.

[MikaIto]

A better way to fix it would be to keep the model the same but change the punishment. I feel the biggest problem is they stick to many you got hit your dead mechanics. A better way to "fix" these fights would be to adjust how the mechanics harm you an example instead of twisters being your dead no matter what have it do a hefty sum of damage and tax your resources like say when it was new have it do 2000ish damage 150 tp damage and 500mp damage that way if people won't learn they will lose but at the same time if healers both eat a twister it isn't over instantly and that way echo and gear will make it easy but that's the point it's old and outdated were just gonna stuff it in a relic step somewhere so with gear and echo going back to it and being able to take it easy might make the grind somewhat fun?

I cant read all that poorly typed version: current model is fine if adjustments are made so instant death, is killing resources or buffing boss to point of impossible fight.

[gamersince1976]

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

I thought we put this beast of a thread down 5 months ago...

[LTEvil]

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

I thought we put this beast of a thread down 5 months ago...

Right? Lol and look there are New walls of text. Need ilvl 200 to defeat.

[Nasibihc]

After reading this I have to say that I completely agree with you. Great post and below are a few thoughts that came to mind:

This is a huge problem with the game. IF this is fixed, it would also fix the "ffs haven't you watch the video of this fight?!" *player gets kicked* -problem, because after that it wouldn't matter so much if someone is new to a fight or even if 2 people are new if there aren't many instant death/wipe mechanics involved. It would significantly lessen the steps of clearing the fight without having to perfect the gimmicks. The other players who have done the fight before would still be able to save possible screw ups with their skill alone, while still leaving a chance for the new players to learn the fight.

I have beaten T5 in coil, but I haven't gone past that even if I have i120'ish gear at the moment. What I've found out is that I have lost interest in going further with the game because of the sheer fact I have to learn every coming fight perfectly or I screw up the party in most cases. It makes me not want to advance in content knowing the first times I'd probably get shouted at, a lot. I doesn't feel nice, even if I know the shouting will eventually stop when I learn the mechanics. I know I'm a really skilled player and I have a very long history with mmo's. I could learn these mechanics quite easily if I actually wanted to and would join the top few who have cleared the content, it wouldn't actually even be a hard thing for me, but for others it might be and it is. No matter how long they'd practice the fights, they'd still mess up even if they're not doing it intentionally. Some of us just can't follow mechanics as well as others, it's as simple as that.

I just don't want to invest that much time anymore with learning the fights perfectly, because for me to learn the fight, it will also require others to have the patience to wait for me to perfect my skills to actually get to join them. These people have cleared the content many times before, without wipes. When I, as a new person happen to join the fight, I do one mistake and the party wipes, just because I don't know the fight perfectly. I don't want to do that. I know it drives them mad to wipe because they know they can do it, but it's entirely my fault that they lose. Do this enough times and everyone loses their mind with an easy fight to them.

I understand that OP doesn't want to make the game a faceroll in terms of gameplay, but rather make it so that while there are still challenging mechanics that need skill to be avoided, one's personal gears (iLvl) and character level would also affect to the fight more than they do now, without having the need for instant death/wipe mechanics and allowing some screw ups if your gear is high enough to withstand them. As said you can easily clear up any mechanics driven content with less gear if you just know the mechanics, if you don't however, you will still wipe, no matter what gear you have on you and you will never clear it unless others carry it for you or you perfect the mechanics, which then results in many of the casual players quitting the game because they don't find this fun.

[Gardes]

I have beaten T5 in coil, but I haven't gone past that even if I have i120'ish gear at the moment. What I've found out is that I have lost interest in going further with the game because of the sheer fact I have to learn every coming fight perfectly or I screw up the party in most cases. It makes me not want to advance in content knowing the first times I'd probably get shouted at, a lot. I doesn't feel nice, even if I know the shouting will eventually stop when I learn the mechanics. I know I'm a really skilled player and I have a very long history with mmo's. I could learn these mechanics quite easily if I actually wanted to and would join the top few who have cleared the content, it wouldn't actually even be a hard thing for me, but for others it might be and it is. No matter how long they'd practice the fights, they'd still mess up even if they're not doing it intentionally. Some of us just can't follow mechanics as well as others, it's as simple as that.

What is with XIV players and self boasting and their enthusiasm for excuses to replace their inability to proof that their claims is more than just a delusion? It's bloody every where! Is this some kind of plague? I pray I never get infected with this!

[Yukiko]

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Switch from healer to DPS or from DPS to tank or from Tank to healer...
You will cause wipes for sure even when you have known the fight before!

Once the tank is down: no tankswap,
once the healer is down: no grouphealing,
once the DPS is down: boss going into enrage mode because of tight DPS checks...

So, are you just trolling?

[SpookyGhost]

What is with XIV players and self boasting and their enthusiasm for excuses to replace their inability to proof that their claims is more than just a delusion? It's bloody every where! Is this some kind of plague? I pray I never get infected with this!

There's this thing that's kinda universal, doesn't really apply solely to XIV, where people will say "I can do X and I will explain to you why it's too easy/too hard/too whatever... but I haven't actually done it". While this game really is easy enough where there's a very low barrier of entry for even the hardest of content (FCoB/Savage), you still have to actually do it for your thoughts on it to hold any weight. You can have an opinion, sure, but people aren't really going to take you seriously if you go "T13 is really easy" and haven't cleared it. Half the battle in MMOs is finding a static of competent people, if you can't manage that then the fight might as well be the hardest thing in human history.

[Nasibihc]

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Haha, you fail at trolling. I wasn't boasting to make an excuse for anything. After clearing all end game in numerous MMO's, I don't think it's a hard job for me to learn the mechanics of certain fights in this game either, I'm not an idiot and I learn fast. I just don't want to do it anymore because of the reason that you need to learn all the mechanics perfectly in order to win or you wipe. It takes time and I have done that many times before in different games. Now I just don't want to use that much time for it anymore and rather focus on more casual content.