Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Souljacker]

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It's not the system that turns player on one another, it's players lack of patience. FFXI CoP was a fine example of this because it had the same issue as FFXIV end game does. Outside of an LS or Static it was very tough for a player to progress due to the difficulty. Do you honestly think there was a difference from FFXI Diabolos wipe and Garuda EX wipe? It's still frustrating no matter how you wipe and you still have the blame game.

I had this conversation with one of the leaders of my FC not too long ago. He was comparing XI to this game, and how it was so much better and harder and this game was so easy... Then he started talking about his wipes in various trials and some of the grind, and at one point I stopped him and asked, "so what exactly is different from XI then?"


I think that the differences between the games are related to player perception rather than actual difficulty. People got stuck on CoP because no one would even TRY promy without at least two summoners and two war\nins. Later fights had similar makeup requirements or people wouldn't "waste" their time. It was ridiculous. We don't have that kind of roadblock here with player mentality (mostly) because the systems aren't as complex, but folks are still stuck on some fights because the design is now "throw ground poo at them until someone's network lags and wipes the group". 6 of one, half dozen of another, I agree... But that doesn't score points for EITHER game in the grand scheme of things. SE still needs to step it up a notch with complexity, genuine challenges, and tone down the insta wipe stuff a little. There's no easy answer, but that's why it's called professional game development.

[Atomnium]

I love how everyone says FFXI was the best system, yet they aren't playing it....
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So in short every MMO has it's share of frustration in end game arena and FFXIV is no different.

snip**** "so what exactly is different from XI then?"
I think that the differences between the games are related to player perception rather than actual difficulty.

You re actually both correct and also partially wrong there, of course the comparison of both FFXI and FFXIV battleground/challenge could be done in the same way and would totally look alike,
the difference there would be a new generation of players and how they actually play the game...

> BUT < there is a massive difference between the two games and an huge one when you have to compare FFXI battlegrounds (Missions, stories or even side quests stories) and FFXIV case
and lot of people actually fails to describe it...

2 words : Duty Finder
Yep. FFXIV actually traded a very important part of any Final Fantasy old school legacy for our *ready to get feed by a silver spoon" aka duty finder.

I'm talking about open world trips when having to reach any battleground (anything you can actually find in the duty finder).

It was challenging, people who didn't played FFXI can't imagine a dangerous open world stuffed with riddles or/and tough fights leading to what we were calling "BCNM" (current ffxiv dungeons or boss fights).

You had to socialize, build a team and go into the wild for a long trip, most of the time it was deadly and you had to be very careful of your steps, dealing with mazes and getting lost (for real) and more before reaching your destination.

Special reminder for ffxi's players : do you remember the very first time you had to climb a promyvion tower? to finally reach the boss chamber and defeat it, this could actually take some hours but do you remember the incredible pleasure right after?

There you go about both games difficulties, Duty Finder act like a shortcut that would skip any challenging/entertaining open world content before a dungeon or a boss.

[Dyvid]

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Well you close but the issue isn't even duty finder. That is just a tool to create parties and is also a requirement for gaming today. The cold hard truth is people are just becoming less social. We prefer to text over talk on the phone, have hundreds of friends on facebook but never actually hung out with 90% of them, and can't even hold a conversation in public without playing on our smart phones.

Duty Finder isn't spoon feeding anyone because you still have to complete the content. It just make gathering a group together quicker and more efficient. In fact I would dare most people either do end game content in FC/LS or through PF and not DF unless they are in a hurry.

[Zarzak]

The cold hard truth is people are just becoming less social. We prefer to text over talk on the phone, have hundreds of friends on facebook but never actually hung out with 90% of them, and can't even hold a conversation in public without playing on our smart phones..

Truth. Funny thing is 12-15 years ago MMO players were considered the super antisocial elite. When in reality we had to communicate an socialize every second we were online if we wanted to do anything.

Now people rage if you even mention the idea of having to be social in a MULTIPLAYER game. As I've raid before MMOs WoW+ are basically Solo-Player-do-100000-meaningless-quests-to-hit-endgame

But hey at least you got that random NPC some goat horns so he could make glue to finish building his wife a new rocking chair.