Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Colt47]

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By removing dps checks the difficulty isn't decreasing. In fact, in the old days more dps was still a good idea because the problem was one of attrition: the longer a fight goes on, the more likely someone is going to mess up and wipe the group. Essentially, the enrage timer was the endurance of the party itself rather than something artificially stuck into the fight. Also, the lack of enrage made it so that if a fight was taking longer then expected you ended up getting more practice in instead of having it insta wipe and forcing everyone to start over. That is one aspect I absolutely abhor in the new age system that has been in place since World of Warcraft introduced it.

[Amberion]

you ended up getting more practice in instead of having it insta wipe and forcing everyone to start over.

Agreed.

Not sure when it became expected to die like flies in games. Before, dying even came with a punishment.

[zlotjko]

by removing the dps check you remove the measurement of a dps role. U can make a party of tanks and healers, and maybe a bard to play the mana song. Yea i know this is the other extreme, but by removing role requirements, you remove the need for a role.
Ever wondered why parties for Titan hm go with just one tank? There is no need for the other, thus remove it.
Remove the dps check on titan heart, everyone goes as a tank to survive the WotL. In the end with echo and OP gear, the effect is the same.
Instead of people learning what they are supposed to do.

Don't get me wrong, as someone who tried to do Titan HM with ilvl 75-ish, i know from where it came. But until i got to coil (1) with an experienced group, i didn't know what i was doing wrong. People helped me out and i started training my rotation, research for a better one, then again, then went with the experienced group again. I didn't even had the relic+1 then. Within 2 weeks my dps went 50% more when i started to learn my role. Its a necessity so people see that they are not doing something right and should do better. After that i was contributing much more to the dps check and all went much easier then when i wasn't doing what i was supposed to do.

Another example is T9. When we started learning the fight we were dropping 6th meteor with 5 dps. After some "few" tries we got it to 5. Same with the green golem, same with the add and the boss. After training, we know which cd where to use, how much till recast, how to reduce our movement to maximize the dps, reduce the incoming dmg and that resulted in 90% of our tries to lead us to the last phase without anyone dying. Using cds, pots, food, everything we had so we do our jobs better.The fight made us to become better players, because it was needed for it. If there was no such requirement, we would not become better players. It was also a hit on our ego that we were not good enough, and that we needed to become better. And we did, and our egos are even bigger now .

But that also means that if we managed to beat T9 (almost 3 months after it was released), it means that with the same gear, other content is beatable too. It just depends on how much effort you want to put in it. Especially since we are not hc people. Raiding 2-3 times per week for 2-3h does not classify as anything near of hc. So stop making excuses, become awesome and be proud of yourself.

[Rysir]

by removing the dps check you remove the measurement of a dps role. U can make a party of tanks and healers, and maybe a bard to play the mana song. Yea i know this is the other extreme, but by removing role requirements, you remove the need for a role.
Ever wondered why parties for Titan hm go with just one tank? There is no need for the other, thus remove it.
Remove the dps check on titan heart, everyone goes as a tank to survive the WotL. In the end with echo and OP gear, the effect is the same.
Instead of people learning what they are supposed to do.

Actually, you can do Titan hard mode with 7 tanks and 1 healer. That DPS check is really doing things!

[SDaemon]

Actually, you can do Titan hard mode with 7 tanks and 1 healer. That DPS check is really doing things!

Oh yeah, groups of 7 tanks and 1 healer were swarming Titan HM in their Darklight/AK gear upon release. It was madness...oh wait.

[Rysir]

Oh yeah, groups of 7 tanks and 1 healer were swarming Titan HM in their Darklight/AK gear upon release. It was madness...oh wait.

I stated it can be done, not that everyone and their mother can do it.

[Edli]

Actually, you can do Titan hard mode with 7 tanks and 1 healer. That DPS check is really doing things!

Is that how you tried to counter his point? With some example that happened 0.01% of the times?

Heart phase used to be a DPS check back then for almost everyone.

[SDaemon]

I stated it can be done, not that everyone and their mother can do it.

That dps check in Titan HM, with folks in Darklight/AK gear, was a huge roadblock for most of the player base for a good while till myth let them start over-gearing and/or they uped their game. Can't really shoot down a dps check on the count of it not holding back the top percentage.

[Raze_Krauser]

Snip: 60% casual, 30% mainstream, 10% hardcore.

Statistics like this are stupid, ridiculous and possibly true.

How can you count the casual base at 60% when their presence in the game are almost non-existent?

Sure they pay a sub, they are counted among the general census. But they are only online for 2-3 hours a week?

This is where the catering to the casual" plan fails....the bar has to be set lower for someone on the other side of the planet to get off work, pick up their kids at school, do taxes. These type of players offer nothing to the grand scheme of the community and further game development since making anything hard in the game means that self-individual won't do it.

when the 60% starts acting like a majority instead of 'accounts receivable', then maybe we get to see some real endgame design in the future.

[melflomil]

Most one shot mechanics are usually ultimate moves and I can accept that.

Twister shouldn't kill In one shot, instead it should deal 60% and keep the knock back it has. This will make people avoid the move. Dive bombs don't one shot people it does high damage.

In the old days most people got LB3 and could just Lb the heart. Only instant kill was the Heart phase and if you fell off. After that you could take your time killing Titan only thing you would have to.deal with is Titan stomping 9x in a row. After that nothing killed you in one hit unless you ran in front of Titan and he mountain buster or if you didn't get healed for incoming damage.

Ramuh has a ridiculous DPS check average ilvl of 80? After you get passed that there are no one shot mechanics that nobody accept for tanks have to worry about getting one shot.