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    Quote Originally Posted by Clavaat View Post
    You didn't have to make a plan and make sure everyone knew what to do.

    /snip
    Sorry to disapoint you, but the challlenge was to fight a unknown Boss without reading any guides and you do NOT have a plan! The difference is in FXIV you can not recover and EXPERIENCE the combat, its life or death, you do not have HOPE...

    Its like that:
    Boss Phase 1 -> 5 to 10 trys, wipe
    Boss Phase 2 -> 10 to 20 trys, wipe
    Boss Phase 3 -> ...

    You do not feel an adventure at all, its just DEATH everywhere you go untill you mastered the mechanics like a machine without fails! You have progress, indeed, but you do not feel like its fun... There is no "struggle" in the combat its just "perfect" or "death".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    -snip-
    Firstly, guides exist for RPGs...so I don't understand what you mean there. I never mentioned guides in my post anyway. When I say plan, I could mean, trial and error, which would be the same thing as going in blind to a boss fight in any other RPG.

    Secondly, I don't know to what fights you are referring to, but you totally can recover for most fights. You still have Raise, potions for when you get raised, etc. It's difficult, but not impossible. If you're referring to Divebombs, these will only kill everyone if you are truly not standing properly. If you're referring to Twisters, you can survive them, and/or be Raised and still win. If you're referring to Landslide, you can still win being down a member. This is no different than other RPGs. You might not be able to sacrifice the turn to Raise someone, so you win with 3. There are abilities that will instantly kill in those games too...

    All in all, sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I'm not seeing a point to that comparison and it's relevancy to the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clavaat View Post
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    Nice static you are in, i wonder why you think everyone must have one?
    A MT (MainTank) with weakness definetly can no longer be MT any more, if the team at least manage to survive the Boss running havoc on the field.
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    Last edited by Yukiko; 06-20-2014 at 05:45 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    Nice static you are in, i wonder why you think everyone must have one?
    A MT (MainTank) with weakness definetly can no longer be MT any more, if the team at least manage to survive the Boss running havoc on the field.
    Because raid content is tuned for organized groups? Not the least common denominator composed of a group of random people with no coordination or familiarity.

    Uhh... Since when? This game allows for much more recovery than even the highly praised WoW (which has a # of raises your allowed to cast per event regardless of how many are available) And as a MT I really can't help but laugh at that statement. Rez effects turn "I don't need to use any cooldowns to survive" to "hrm maybe I should hit a couple to help the heals until this debuff goes away"



    If a monk or DRG doesnt step up and pop all his defensive CDs to hold the boss for the 10 seconds it takes for the smn or sch to react and raise the tank... thats a problem with the group. Hell even beat the dreaded mastermind known as Titan EX by tanking a full 10% or so as monk back in 2.1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    Nice static you are in, i wonder why you think everyone must have one?
    A MT (MainTank) with weakness definetly can no longer be MT any more, if the team at least manage to survive the Boss running havoc on the field.
    Only 1 tank even in the party he dies at 30% they still get the kill.
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    Well that's not sloppy and a lot of players underestimate the value of the healer LB 3 especially bards.

    A sloppy kill would be something you are most likely to experience in Titan HM/EX when you're left with 3-6 people and it takes an extra 4 minutes above normal to kill the primal and a healer LB3 isn't gonna revive those knocked off the platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Titan HM/EX when you're left with 3-6 people and it takes an extra 4 minutes above normal to kill the primal and a healer LB3 isn't gonna revive those knocked off the platform.
    This is exactly the situation echo helps.... Event originally tuned for 4 dps doing 200 dmg each (total = 800 dps) well here comes echo buff now 2 dps do 400 each (total = 800 dps)

    1 tank and 1 healer have been possible since pre echo and in ilvl 90 gear. So echo also powers up these already overgeared people (who will at this point be somewhere between 90 and 100) allowing them to do the same with less than optimal play
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Titan EX
    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    extra 4 minutes above normal
    Those 2 things don't go well with each other. Titan will enrage before you can take 4 minutes extra to normal.

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    Gee, and I thought these fights required all 8 people to execute perfectly and any death=automatic wipe, especially the tank. At least, that's what I keep reading in this thread.
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    You see that how often in DF groups?
    Sometimes in really good PF groups, but solely on statics!

    I wonder what you try to prove with a static in T8 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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