Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Gormogon]

Everything in 2.3 is casual content except for (probably) Ramuh EX. That's pretty straight forward. Maybe you have a different prerequisite for "catering" but then you clearly have a different threshold than the person I was replying to, who actually thinks there's too much catering to elitists in this game, the most casual MMO launched in 10 years and winner of a handicap accessibility award.

CT2 isn't casual catering. They are also releasing the prototype version of coil which is harder than normal coil and they are calling it brutal mode as well as EX primals Ramuh and Shiva.

Those mode are more rewarding than main scenario, beast tribe dailies, and hildebrand.

Yet way to call a MMO that can actually understand and tackle casual content as "handicap".

[Melithea]

CT2 isn't casual catering. They are also releasing the prototype version of coil which is harder than normal coil and they are calling it brutal mode as well as EX primals Ramuh and Shiva.

24-man content is easier than 8-man content by both design and definition. CT2 will be easier than Coil 1. People will be starting new characters and running CT2 two weeks later. Brutal Mode and Shiva aren't 2.3.

Yet way to call a MMO that can actually understand and tackle casual content as "handicap".

AbleGamers names Final Fantasy XIV accessible mainstream game of the year

[silentwindfr]

AbleGamers names Final Fantasy XIV accessible mainstream game of the year

you realize that accessible don't means easy? or casual? worst it don't even make your point valable... it say, people that have handicap can enjoy the game!
god you want the game to be hard that only 3% of the community will complet the challenge here? like Naxx 60, because WoW have already did this only giving content for hardcore... and they have themself change them way... maybe because they have understand that was idiot to use money and time to only care for 5% of the community!

i will be cruel...Even the pvp community have more people into it. yoshida have said they want to touch 15% of the community with the pvp

[Melithea]

you realize that accessible don't means easy? or casual? worst it don't even make your point valable... it say, people that have handicap can enjoy the game!

You're trying really hard to miss the point for the sake of your dogma, and in that I suppose I should commend you. The point is that this game is even especially physically easy to play, even before you get to the content. All of this out-of-control difficulty that people are complaining about is restricted to a very small portion of the game and complaints about it are highly exaggerated. And again, this is coming from someone who doesn't even clear Second Coil.

god you want the game to be hard that only 3% of the community will complet the challenge here

When the hell have I ever said anything like this? What I've actually said, is that it is already true that only a small part of the community is capable of tackling the highest tier content. In fact, I don't believe I've even given my opinion on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, other than expressing my frustration with assembling people who can run it with me.

Loads more easy content is coming, and it sounds like that's all you really want. You want a young game under 12 months old to have 3 years worth of content because 5% of the game is too hard for 90% of players. Guess what? If 100% of players could access 100% of content right away, that would ALSO result in everyone getting bored and leaving. We actually have something pretty close to an acceptable middle ground right now with the way that old content becomes more accessible with every patch. Given everything we know about what is planned for this game, it sounds like you just need to be patient and realize that content doesn't develop itself overnight.

[Pibz]

24-man content is easier than 8-man content by both design and definition. CT2 will be easier than Coil 1. People will be starting new characters and running CT2 two weeks later. Brutal Mode and Shiva aren't 2.3.



AbleGamers names Final Fantasy XIV accessible mainstream game of the year

Wow.. using an award that shows the game is well designed so that disabled people can enjoy most of it to show how the endgame encounters are ridiculously easy,regardless of how i feel on the subject, is just sad. Shame on you.
And wrong, brutal coil is 2.3 don't correct people when you are the one who's wrong.


As for the whole thread, why is this still going on?
They said they are nerfing the one shot mechanics on old fights, and they're introducing new Brutal Coil which is tuned higher and has more randomness in it. So seems more or less what the OP wanted.
So again, why are you guys still discussing this?

Personally I really like Moogle EX because everything is mostly randomized and there isn't a strict order to things happening aside from phase changes, too bad people rarely do it because the rewards are just a neck accessory most people have by now.

LOL, wut?!

[Melithea]

Why do people always see the world in black or white ? Couldn't the alternative to "mechanics-driven battles" just be "battle with mechanics" ?

I want to take you more seriously, but your entire concept of acceptable mechanics appears to be adds and AOE attacks.

Are you just messing with me? Do you want another chance to come up with some better examples?

Wow.. using an award that shows the game is well designed so that disabled people can enjoy most of it to show how the endgame encounters are ridiculously easy

That's not what I did and I further explained the relevance in a follow-up. Shame on you for not having any reading comprehension.

And wrong, brutal coil is 2.3 don't correct people when you are the one who's wrong.

I had to go back and review the live letter because the information doesn't appear to be *anywhere else*, but I stand corrected on this. I didn't remember anything from the E3 special being slated for 2.3. So yay, there is actually going to be some difficult (recycled) content in 2.3 for people who actually enjoy a challenge.

[Kuwagami]

I want to take you more seriously, but your entire concept of acceptable mechanics appears to be adds and AOE attacks.

Are you just messing with me? Do you want another chance to come up with some better examples?

The examples weren't here to give "acceptable mechanics". They are fun fights at some point, but they tend to turn extremely easy after a time (at least for hydra and chimera).

The point was that a fight should not be
"Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > Mechanic > end of boss"
Or, to explain it better, these mechanics should not just come one after an other every 5 seconds with no room to do anything else. Coil2 is pretty much "Follow the path the devs have set or die" and I can't think of anything which can go out of this path. You still have the choice in your party set-up, but that's pretty much all.

In moggle ex, you have choice for pretty much everything (assuming the enrage timer doesn't start at pull, I'm not sure of that) : order to weaken the minions, when you change phases, how you tank the boss (titan egi shines there)






Sorry, I'm at a point where I can't find more words to explain what I want to say. I'll say one thing and hope it achieves to be understandable, wether people agree or not :
one shot mechanics are fine, as long as they are not overused.
A fight should not be :
insta-kill > insta-kill > insta-kill > super hard hitting unavoidable hit > insta-kill > repeat.

Nor it should be :
weak Aoe > adds > medium Aoe > weak Aoe > repeat. (

The first allows no room for error and becomes quickly boring if you can't find consistent players, or after a few consistent wins (doing the same exact dance everytime is not really appealing). The second is obviously not fitting a raid. It's fine for a dungeon though, but shouldn't be overused as well.

Rather than that, if you have a pool of attacks, like :
- strong unavoidable hit on tank *3
- room medium AoE *2
- one shot mechanic *1
- hard hitting AoE *2

and if the boss picks randomly 4 attacks from the pool then repeat, you'll have a fight overall more fun, and while better groups can win every mechanics, less skilled groups can hope to have an easier time on that phase. (more fun because it wouldn't be always the same fight)

Keep some timed mechanics (let's say like a 30 sec timer on blighted bouquet), phase changes with "do it or lose" mechanics, as the firsts can be a good reactivity check if you can't keep track of the timer, and the seconds are somehow necessary to give a "tough boss" feeling : they're growing in rage and show they aren't here as garden plants.

Just do not rely solely on them. They do not make a fight fun if they are overused.


(Numbers and examples are purely made up. I know there aren't fights that much of a cliche in the game yet. But a vast majority of top-end content at the moment relies solely on "do it or lose" mechanics.)

[Asra]

AbleGamers names Final Fantasy XIV accessible mainstream game of the year

The flaw with this argument is that Ablegamers rates mainstream titles for accessibility by disabled gamers, and by accessibility they mean the ability for a disabled gamer to enjoy the main portions of the game's content. This includes the ability for colorblind players to determine mechanics or hazards and clearly read text and for deaf players to do the same, so they can enjoy what the game has to offer despite disability. I doubt Ablegamers has thoroughly gone through the endgame content.

[Melithea]

The flaw with this argument is that Ablegamers rates mainstream titles for accessibility by disabled gamers, and by accessibility they mean the ability for a disabled gamer to enjoy the main portions of the game's content. This includes the ability for colorblind players to determine mechanics or hazards and clearly read text and for deaf players to do the same, so they can enjoy what the game has to offer despite disability. I doubt Ablegamers has thoroughly gone through the endgame content.

My argument doesn't hinge on this. It was more of a side mention. This is also still the most casual MMO released in the past 10 years; consider the award a "fun fact" if it bothers or distracts you that much. It certainly shuts down any arguments that the game is in any way hard to play or enjoy.

[Asra]

My argument doesn't hinge on this. It was more of a side mention. This is also still the most casual MMO released in the past 10 years; consider the award a "fun fact" if it bothers or distracts you that much. It certainly shuts down any arguments that the game is in any way hard to play or enjoy.

You can keep calling this game casual paradise as much as you want and keep quoting "fun facts."

The original argument is that the current design of the fights and of the game overall is not fun to many in the playerbase across every play style. The brewing toxicity in the playerbase isn't really helping that either