Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard this... I guess there would be no fail parties? Since everyone is so good that its NEVER their fault.
The ones who are failing are generally not the type to go about proclaiming how much they fail on public forums. Not sure what you want from us.
Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
The same concept applies here. Until players can start taking responsibility for their own mistakes, things are never going to change. It's much easier to accept failure at a lower level then wait until you reach the harder content.
"Taking responsibility" doesn't magically allow players who can't react on time or move to the correct locations to do so if they simply lack the reflexes or their connection is too shoddy (and the latter is a legitimate concern that is largely out of the player's hands, short of using a booster program like Pingzapper or WTFast).

I've run with players who KNOW that they are the problem and admit as such... but they just lose heart after a dozen attempts and stop trying, and that's terrible.
Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
I didn't realize that raiding was a 6 man effort, not 8. Let me put it to you simply, if you want to succeed, get rid of those that are dead weights.
Not an option. Extreme primals WILL eventually be added to the roulette, and obviously simply shedding the "dead weight" WILL NOT BE AN OPTION.

This is besides the fact that you should want those players to eventually, at some point, be able to clear the content after the content is obsoleted. This is the whole point behind the Echo mechanic, after all. If the Echo doesn't help these players clear the content, something else must be done instead.
Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
Try running with friends or good players who you met through PF instead of random people. Or stop whining when these players start making mistakes.
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Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
I stopped reading here.
Quite frankly, given your attitude I shouldn't even be dignifying you with a response in the first place, but it would still be nice if you would extend the courtesy of showing mutual respect and actually addressing the points given instead of brushing them off with elitist bullshit.