Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Pibz]

People can and have used macros and apps to assist with all this stuff. MMORPG often rely on mechanics rather than skill which is why it's possible to implement and use these types of "assists". Also you basically prove my point lol. How do you know *when* to those big attacks are coming or when a burst is needed? - it's because you've repeated a fight enough to know the patterns.

There's nothing like "twintania tracker" or ffxiv-app that will help increase your "skill" in those other game genres I mentioned previously that require real skill.

*MEGA SIGH*
There's no point, i'm talking to a wall.
The answer is in my previous post.

It would be really interesting to get one group of 8 "hardcore" players, and another group of 8 "mainstream" players, and when 2.3 is released, have a real-time stream of the 2 parties in Ramuh-EX practicing to defeat it with no external apps or voice-chat. I would bet the amount of time required for each party to defeat it would be close to the same.

Oh dear... it's worse than i thought, you have no clue..
So you think there's some guides and magic apps from the heavens that the people that do the 1st kills receive?
You do realize the strats this people come up with take a few hours of pulling and dying to develop right?
Is there also no skill in being the first to nail down the winning strat? Ok, go do it then.

[zPanda]

It would be really interesting to get one group of 8 "hardcore" players, and another group of 8 "mainstream" players, and when 2.3 is released, have a real-time stream of the 2 parties in Ramuh-EX practicing to defeat it with no external apps or voice-chat. I would bet the amount of time required for each party to defeat it would be close to the same.

Going back to an earlier point here - if it was possible to set this up, would you bet your house on the "hardcore" group beating a brand new battle faster than the "mainstream" group? I know I wouldn't lol.

On the other hand, if you set up a fight between one of the top Street Fighter players in the world versus a random decent player, would I bet my house on the top SF player? Yeah, you bet I would.

[Pibz]

Going back to an earlier point here - if it was possible to set this up, would you bet your house on the "hardcore" group beating a brand new battle faster than the "mainstream" group? I know I wouldn't lol.

On the other hand, if you set up a fight between one of the top Street Fighter players in the world versus a random decent player, would I bet my house on the top SF player? Yeah, you bet I would.

Would i bet on the people that clear the content first, over people who have trouble dodging trivial mechanics? Yes, yes i would.

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No point arguing semantics, of what skill means, if some people can do it and others can't there's something there, and let me tell you, it's far from being just lag in 90%+ of the cases(lots of times with randoms on a lot of encounters has shown me this)..
Also this is the last answer you'll get from me, you people refuse to concede on anything, you just want your tank and spank fights, it's pointless.

[zPanda]

Also, learning how to dodge twister won't help you for, let's say, devour...

This. I beat T6 far faster then I did T5. So why do I see people still struggling with the early parts of T6? If there is actual "skill" in T5 and earlier content, why doesn't it just carry over for everyone?

[silentwindfr]

no skill involved into this... only to have 7 people with you that know the step of the dance of T5... if you play with a static, you will always pass it and no difficulty into this. the team play into this game is not.... well developped.

[Pibz]

This. I beat T6 far faster then I did T5. So why do I see people still struggling with the early parts of T6? If there is actual "skill" in T5 and earlier content, why doesn't it just carry over for everyone?

Oh so your anecdotal evidence doesn't carry over to everyone? Brilliant you should publish a paper on that.
Also T6 is the introductory turn in Second coil while t5 is the final turn of the first one.

[zPanda]

Would i bet on the people that clear the content first, over people who have trouble dodging trivial mechanics? Yes, yes i would .

Lol let's be real here. Is "dodging" in this game really about "skill" , or more about repeating the fights enough to basically know when the attacks are coming. Look at some of the previous threads regarding titan-ex for example - people deal with lag by simply memorizing when attacks are coming out and "dodging" ahead of time.

Also, again, T6 was much easier to clear IMO than T5. So why do I see so many people still struggling with the basic parts of that fight like devour? If this game is truly skill-based, shouldn't anyone who's cleared T5 find T6 a cakewalk?

[zPanda]

no skill involved into this... only to have 7 people with you that know the step of the dance of T5... if you play with a static, you will always pass it and no difficulty into this. the team play into this game is not.... well developped.

Yup - 100% agree. One of the reasons you see so much rage in pugs and PF/DF groups when people step outside of their static parties.

[zPanda]

Oh so your anecdotal evidence doesn't carry over to everyone? Brilliant you should publish a paper on that.
Also T6 is the introductory turn in Second coil while t5 is the final turn of the first one.

Yup thanks for agreeing with me. T6 is the *introductory* turn in SCoB , so it's funny to me how people with the "skills" to beat T5 can struggle so much in T6, and *introductory* turn.

Let me state that I'm not hardcore and do not have a static party - I've cleared all primal-ex and T6 so far so I'm very far from being "top-level / elite" or anything. There are people in my FC that have not cleared Garuda-EX yet. Do I think I'm more "skilled" than those players? - No, not at all. I just feel like I've spent more time in the game than they have. This is my point - whenever I've cleared content like titan-ex or t5 for example, it never feels like I gained "skill" - it simply feels like I just learned "the script" lol. I have absolutely no idea how long it will take me to beat Ramuh-EX, because I know it'll probably come down to having to learn another "script". I don't see how any "skill" I currently have will carry over into a new battle.

I will concede however that if you consider memorization a "skill" - then OK, that "skill" helps in FFXIV lol.

[Pibz]

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People who beat T5 before 2.2, had very little difficulty, in general, in beating T6 in comparison to the time it took them to beat T5, so your point isn't even true.
This is also my last reply to you, since you also just repeat your points over and over regardless of what is said, but if you think MMO's(you clearly omited the genre in your "genre that require skill" list) are so dumb easy and uninteresting what are you doing here?

Also LOL on your music example. Not even going to comment on that one.