Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Pibz]

Turn 4 is a moot point, but this quote is exactly the problem! See GEAR SHOULD HELP, that's the problem, it doesn't - it barely even matters! Most of the most frustrating fights are won and lost because someone else made a mistake and the unforgiving mechanics wiped the party. So right now, as long as you have basic gear, gear is not even a factor, let alone a secondary factor. The OP is complaining that this game is 90% mechanics, 10% gear, when really it should be 60/40 or maybe 70/30 at higher levels/end-game top-tier raids etc.

Gear does matter, if you don't think so you're not playing the same game as me. Whole mechanics can be completely skipped by having better gear. So no it isn't 90% mechanics, it's way lower. And the more reliant it is on mechanics over gear- the better.

So turn 4:
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Please don't use quotation marks if you are not going to quote me, what i had written before i edited it was that the game already has enough easy fights as is, and what i wanted to say(and therefore edited to avoid this crap) is what it says now - that we don't need any fight to get easier.

Also you need to read better, i didn't say that the fight is always the same i said that ofc knowing your role helps as it does in every single fight in the game..
As for the scenario you painted here it is reversed:
The OT in Titan EX doesn't manage to grab aggro, it goes for the blm he uses manawall. Yay crisis averted.

In T4, someone messes up and brings the bugs that are stuck on him to 2 dreadnoughts(not at the same time, doesn't matter who lets assume stupid OT) feeding them, the poor main tank gets to tank a 4 stack dread and a 2 stack one, he doesnt manage to, no one else is able to do anything but watch helplessly. OMG such unforgiveness needs to be less punishing and moar random please.(this example is a joke of course but this is how some people in this thread sound to me)

Other notes:
1. You can carry 1-2 people through titan EX(same for garuda, leviathan,t1-t5) at the moment, and its not even that hard to do it.
2. Having content that you can carry people through at its release is not something that we really need. If you can carry 2 through an encounter and you're not totally over gearing it, it means that those 2 are not needed, and that the tuning is not right.

[Sylkis]

also this is not a counter argument to my not wanting all meaning in the deaths removed which is what the guy i was replying to was suggestion, if you cant run the hard content (specifically made to be hard) wait until nerf.

The problem is that it's easy to not fall off but the consequences of doing so is harsh. To anyone with experience, the falling off and instant death mechanics are boring because it just won't happen. It's as easy as breathing but if you forget to breathe, you die. But the only people who pay any attention to breathing are those new to it or those who are somehow impaired.

The result is stuff like Titan/Levi is too easy, and I hardly run them anymore. But they are hard to get into for casuals.

It's not real difficulty, just easy things done under huge pressure.

[darkstarpoet1]

The thing is FFXI is still active you can play it and the fights have not changed almost everything still is tank and spank the fights are easy compared to FFXIV you tank and spank the boss and collect your gear.

just have to touch this piece of ignorance.

yes, xi is still up and running, but current xi is as close to old xi as arr is to xiv1.0. both games are 100% different than they were originally.

[Zumi]

just have to touch this piece of ignorance.

yes, xi is still up and running, but current xi is as close to old xi as arr is to xiv1.0. both games are 100% different than they were originally.

You haven't played FFXI recently SE is going through redoing most all old bcnm fights and mission fights Zilart, AA ect for the level 99+ cap and dropping new gear or items to upgrade old af, and relic gear. Its pretty much the same exact fights people done for ages now only redone for lv99. And they play almost the same as they did back before the 99 cap only the mobs have 99+ stats

[o3o]

I disagree with nearly all of that post.

If there were no mechanics like that. Basicly every single fight would turn into a tank and spank.

[EmiliM]

lol wow, I expected this to be controversial but you guys really went to town with this one

I abused my OP status and added my own two cents to the original post. Feel free to agree/disagree. Chew me out if you want. But at the end of the day, I think all of us want the game to become better, so let's try to get as many people's opinion on this as possible. Um, in a civil manner, of course.

[Litre]

Gear does matter, if you don't think so you're not playing the same game as me. Whole mechanics can be completely skipped by having better gear. So no it isn't 90% mechanics, it's way lower. And the more reliant it is on mechanics over gear- the better.

Yes, gear does matter, it varies from fight to fight, we're just saying more often than not it matters too little. Like you said gear is secondary to mechanics, I see nothing wrong with that, what's your number at? I think the game should be 60/40 mechanics to gear, and in harder fights end-game etc closer to 70-80/20-30 etc...


But the sad reality is for many PUGs running Titan EX mechanics is 100/0! Why? It only takes 2 people, to die to mechanics and only if the other 6 players were maxed perhaps they can salvage it

1. You can carry 1-2 people through titan EX(same for garuda, leviathan,t1-t5) at the moment, and its not even that hard to do it.

yes of course, if I wanted to help 2 LS mates clear I can find 5 top geared players and do it sure, but I'd say it's more the exception than the norm. And as the OP said, how is that fun for them? Here's roadblock content, you suck so just find someone to carry you, really? I could just quote the OP's words all day to your arguments.

2. Having content that you can carry people through at its release is not something that we really need. If you can carry 2 through an encounter and you're not totally over gearing it, it means that those 2 are not needed, and that the tuning is not right.

To which I said previously:

all these challenges can be surmounted with good enough gear, but only months after the content is released. This way the hardcore get a chance to beat it at the start and when they get better gear, they can help their guildmates through it later. This gives me an incentive to obtain that gear, which is also absent from the game due to the heavy reliance on insta-kill mechanics.

You're definitely a veteran player, but I feel you're not understanding me either, we (FFXI players such as the OP) don't mind 90/10 split or even if it's 80/20 or 70/30 as you say it is, it doesn't matter, as long as at the end of the day, if one day I can foresee a group of similarly skilled people (not carried) have an easier time clearing something. With stuff like Titan EX I don't foresee that, if nothing is changed even with 25% echo buff they still die, that's too harsh, they shouldn't need to be carried, gear should just naturally progress and if a fight is balanced properly even a fight that is 90% mechanics can be one day handled by overgeared players, as bad as they may be.

Thing is like the OP said:

Once again, this is not a post about making arguments like "well I think the game is fun because I can clear the contents" or "you just don't think it's fun because you can't clear the contents" .

To make such an argument is like having someone say to you "I have practiced, reviewed and studied hard to learn English and now I can read and write English at the top-university level and have no problems with daily English conversations so it's fun for me. A ton of people in the world also speak English, so if you work hard at it you can be just like us too!" (You'd think "what a snob!")

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[*]As for all those "but it's really not that hard, just do this and this and I could do this with my eyes closed, people cry too much" comments. That's the problem the OP tried to point out that the beginning of his/her article (the "learning English" part). It may be easy for you (more power to you), but it's not easy and not fun for many others, that's the whole point.

I feel that's addresses your comments pretty decently. You like your mechanics based content, great, lots already for you, that doesn't go the same for casual/mainstream players. Regardless people will vote with their time, when FFXIV is on the decline, it'll be because of the issues addressed by the OP.

[Gormogon]

lol wow, I expected this to be controversial but you guys really went to town with this one

I abused my OP status and added my own two cents to the original post. Feel free to agree/disagree. Chew me out if you want. But at the end of the day, I think all of us want the game to become better, so let's try to get as many people's opinion on this as possible. Um, in a civil manner, of course.

Yeah totally agree with that. Yet it's kind of expecting much from elitist to want to give the time of day to the casual player base. That's just how the american culture is.

[darkstarpoet1]

You haven't played FFXI recently SE is going through redoing most all old bcnm fights and mission fights Zilart, AA ect for the level 99+ cap and dropping new gear or items to upgrade old af, and relic gear. Its pretty much the same exact fights people done for ages now only redone for lv99. And they play almost the same as they did back before the 99 cap only the mobs have 99+ stats

originally in xi you had to put in years to level and get your gear. neither of those are true anymore.

in xiv1.0 you had to put in a bunch of time to level and get your gear. this isn't true anymore either.

[Litre]

lol wow, I expected this to be controversial but you guys really went to town with this one

I abused my OP status and added my own two cents to the original post. Feel free to agree/disagree. Chew me out if you want. But at the end of the day, I think all of us want the game to become better, so let's try to get as many people's opinion on this as possible. Um, in a civil manner, of course.

I think for me it's just a sigh of relief that this topic is being pushed to the forefront, actually with the next patch we will see some random elements added I read. But from being on a JP server we've hashed this out many times, even if many disagree it's good to be able to have this discussion. Though I wonder if our English forum's chatter ever reaches dev ears, I'd be more interested in hearing good arguments from the JP side.