Changing Titan Ex Echo

[Yolteotl]

they should just hand you the win and loot then, save them the time and money to rebalance/adjust the content.

People have been saying this ever since SE even implemented the Echo. You literally wanna waste 30 minutes, to make the Content as easy as possible before u even start it? At which point it still wouldn't be a 'hand out" as opposed to what the Devs see as the ideal potency of the Echo to be.


The point of the Echo is to help ppl bridge the learning curve of the content, the stat buffs do not do that on Titan Ex unless u actually have under-geared members in your party which predominantly isn't the reason why groups fail to clear the content. And the people in opposition always put things in context of extremes, every single time u enter the fight there is no Echo. Assuming the Devs would over-implement the Echo and just throw the clear to the players undermines the intelligence of the Devs. I do personally believe Demon Wall is an example of over-nerfing, but that's not an Echo the bees just flat-out don't exist. There is an Echo for all Trials from Chimera up through Turn 5. The only content where the Echo doesn't do what the purpose of the Echo is, is Titan Ex.

Should a player ever need the Echo for any content at all? No. But it's there and it's there because regardless of any ONE player it takes EIGHT players to progress in the content and since the Echo'ed content is Dated you shouldn't be so severely punished just cause member 8 or member 7 are preventing everyone else from clearing the content, and in the case of Titan Ex it's normally one or two membesr missing a dodge mechanic even if they dont see they missed it cause of the discrepancy between the game locally and the actual server data that spirals the whole attempt into a loss

The people who act like Echo = Hand-out aren't the ones stuck on the content because you either get a choice of under-experienced players on the server to choose from, or experienced players who either don't do the content or expect you to already be done with the content. You definitely aren't the category of players which are also the ones predominantly seeking other ways to adjust the fight instead of stat boosts aka the people who have the mechanics down but dont have the official clear, stuck in-between the people who don't know what they are doing yet as the only one's u can recruit and the one's that have already cleared that demand u have clear or look elsewhere.

[Vittorino]

This man knows what's up!
How about you fight hard enough and die plenty of times and learn the fight rather than a handicap. good talk.

Cheers

[Alice_89th]

The gaol problem can easily be circumvented my never standing outside of the orange centre.
If the gaoled dps is standing right under Titan and you are standing on the edge of the orange, you are still more than enough apart for the dps to break the gaol with relative ease.


If even I learned to dodge plumes without sprint, everyone else can too.

[Kuwagami]

No
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long answer :

Echo is already helping you a lot more than it should on Titan Ex. Sure there are 1 shot mechanics, but echo can't really make a 1 shot mechanic something trivial...

more time on gaols ? => more dps through echo => done

more time on adds ? => see gaols => done

more time on landslide ? => Honestly, if you can't avoid the 1-way and 3-way, you lag too much for this fight and should give your computer/box a rest for a few minutes/hours before re-attempting. 5-way can be done through team coordination, work on that. Also, you can avoid dieing by getting under his butt. Works 60% of the time for me.

more time on plumes ? => at 25% echo, you have enough HPs and heal bonus to just spread and heal through. If it's too hard, make a macro for incoming plumes, spread, eat the plumes (1 each), gather and heal through.


Coming from someone who needed 4 month to get that sucka dead,
Best of luck.

[Kiara1]

What happened to gaming?
I feel like a lot of ppl just want everything by pressing 1 on their keyboard, and maybe 2 sometimes.
Gaming was always about superhard stuff that you would struggle to beat, and when you finally beat it you would call your best friend and yell "Finally I did it!"
Now it's all about crying on forums "I can't get my shinies, fix SE!"
I swear if the next generation gets even more handouts in their kinda game, we are gonna have to look forward to games that play themselves

[Yolteotl]

The gaol problem can easily be circumvented my never standing outside of the orange centre.
If the gaoled dps is standing right under Titan and you are standing on the edge of the orange, you are still more than enough apart for the dps to break the gaol with relative ease.


If even I learned to dodge plumes without sprint, everyone else can too.

I agree and the Gaol was just an example of how the Echo boosting stats breaks the mechanics in ways that do not increase survivability, hopefully the healer would learn not to do it again but the mechanic shouldn't fail that way in the 1st place.

Yes everyone can learn and will hopefully learn to do the content in it's 'pure' form, however this is about the Echo and all the dissenting opinions are basically NO ECHO, but the ECHO IS ALREADY THERE.

[Kitfox]

Echo helps with DPS and healing checks, thus leaves more time for people to pay attention to mechanics and indirectly helps with mechanics that way. Having echo adjust the timing of abilities would basically mean everybody would have to relearn the fight after every wipe and it would ultimately make the fight EVEN HARDER to learn than it is currently. As an example, running into the bombs in Titan ex because you've been doing a lot of Titan hard and got used to the faster landslide→bomb timing (timing in extreme is slower for this). Variable timings would the worst thing for people just learning the fight. Any timing changes should be permanently implemented.

Echo is doing its job. It makes the basic gameplay easy so you just have to deal with the mechanics. As blunt as it may be, I'd say "learn to play", you'll need to sooner or later anyway. If it's your connection, there are VPNs and such that you can try out to improve it. If it's not working for you or you refuse to use one, then all I can say is: I'm sorry for your location.

[Duuude007]

I like one person's suggestion: add those Bowling alley-style kiddie bumpers on the edge of the platform, so you cant fall off.

made me laugh and cry at the same time...

[Yolteotl]

Sorry had to snip.

But alot of times it's not about 'your delay' it's about yet aaaaaaanother pick up member being the person with the issues again and again and again and again, or what telling fc or ls-mates to quit cause they lag???

I personally have an LSmate that has 8/9 primal weapons easily clears all other EX fights on a consistent basis but has yet to ever live through a Titan EX run and I've personally never seen them live to heart phase. Does that make sense? NO. Does it make sense for Titan EX to not be a learning curve but a learning spike where all proceeding EX's are easier? No. But as long as it is a repetition of one-shot mechanics with small windows of survivability and u just have to hope u don't see someone else unintentionally botch the run over and over the current Echo is basically pointless.

[Kletian]

Echo helps with DPS and healing checks, thus leaves more time for people to pay attention to mechanics and indirectly helps with mechanics that way. Having echo adjust the timing of abilities would basically mean everybody would have to relearn the fight after every wipe and it would ultimately make the fight EVEN HARDER to learn than it is currently. As an example, running into the bombs in Titan ex because you've been doing a lot of Titan hard and got used to the faster landslide→bomb timing (timing in extreme is slower for this). Variable timings would the worst thing for people just learning the fight. Any timing changes should be permanently implemented.

Having more time for landslides, upheaval, Weights, and gaol/ers is what people are asking for. No one is asking for the bomb pattern timing to be changed.