Changing Titan Ex Echo

[Xairos]

Someone said that on Titan and Levi EX they should (i dont even know if they can) change it to where if a person falls off, the can climb back up via a jump challenge.

I dont think they can just "code" that in, but that would be less demoralizing than a cold restart.

[DukeBurden]

I think it's ok to eject people from a fight. It shows their weaknesses. Some people will rage, others will try harder to learn.

[R1dder]

Some people can't pass Titan extreme, that's just how it is. We can't adjust it so that everyone can make it ^^

[Felessan]

Yes, some people do that, but no, not everyone does. If you act like everyone is lying eventually you're going to be a complete ass to a player who is just simply struggling against tech issues.

I killed Titan EX when my connection was awful and I have ping around 800-1000 ms. So it's not really a connection issue. The fight is very predictable, and the most dangerous parts are just known beforehand what will be and where. Even the delay between skills is static - I used to just count from 1 to 5 in my mind and move - it marked the point when titan's next skill is activated. The only "random" part is bomb positioning, but you have a plenty of time to react there.
If you have problems with Titan Ex - it means that you either lack practice or don't really pay attention to the sequence of titan's skills.

Make them rezzable at the bottom of Titan's arena or Leviathan's. Could help some people perhaps in getting a clear, without messing with the mechanics of the fight too much.

This means that tanks/heals will carry everyone. This is already a large point in Titan HM fights where it's enough to have heals dodging everything to pass a fight - I saw fights where dps was chain-ressed for like 3-5 times on the last phase.

[FritoBandito]

Hmm what if they increase character movement speed instead of stats?

[Madoka]

Win before you get echo, problem solved.

[CYoung187]

The solution is to buff the drops/rewards for doing this fight. The vast majority of people who have cleared titan ex won't ever do it again since 2.2. Most other challenging content doesn't have that problem. Hell at least you get glamour gear in CT. I miss doing Ultima as well. That was a fun fight. Echo will never make up for the loss of experienced players not doing the fight.

[Iriadysa]

The solution is to buff the drops/rewards for doing this fight. The vast majority of people who have cleared titan ex won't ever do it again since 2.2. Most other challenging content doesn't have that problem. Hell at least you get glamour gear in CT. I miss doing Ultima as well. That was a fun fight. Echo will never make up for the loss of experienced players not doing the fight.

One of the big mistakes (in my view) that the last patch did was making Ex primals technically obsolete. Sure, the weekly weapon reward is still relevant, but it's not something to long for at this point.

These primals still pose a challenge to i90+ players yet it's irrelevant content for most of the people with experience running them which, as you said, makes it harder for everyone else as well. The Atma quest should've been linked to the primals (e.g. by allowing to trade Rowena's tokens for atma pieces); instead, the only relevant primal became Leviathan and as well done as the fight is, it just gets old at this point. Heck, include a Leviathan kill in the weekly quest to make it harder, I don't care. Just make them relevant.

[Fynlar]

Echo for this fight is worthless as is, and will continue to be useless for movement- and mechanic-driven content like this. Meaning, things like coil t5 and anything harder than it, as well as any other sort of fight where doing damage more quickly than expected can actually be a detriment.

I've only ever managed to beat this fight twice. Both times, it was by groups that didn't quite beat it in one shot but still did not need Echo to win. Every group that managed to slog their way to 25% Echo (assuming the entire group actually stayed to that point) still kept doing just as badly as they were at the start of the fight.

[Ghasto]

The moment Echo starts actively changing mechanics is the moment I permanently unsub.