Thread: 1.18 Bittersweet.

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

yeah me too.
im still stuck saying the game has potential, but there are still so many things that could be fixed including what was supposedly fixed in this patch.
why mus i press enter after highlighting a mob in order to scroll through my bars? cant i just highlight a mob and start scrolling if im in active/battle mode?....

Yea they really need to get back to the UI brain storming, so many stuff don't make sense still...like the 1 bar skill system.

But then like FF11, learn macro stream lining for now.

I hope they eventually get to UI scaling, since I play at 720p...everything is...huge.

As for progressing...I think it's about right, though XP is steep, but that's what leves and raids are for assuming you can get into PTs.

So Far, fighting an even match aka "same level" feels about right on strength level, and sp level can be better, but with a cap of 50...about right. Fighting just under your level "decent prey" is the solo way and so far works well.

Wish they would fix up the seek system, so people can actually find groups. It's finally for better or worse becoming an issue.

Arcs and mages are whiners when before they could fight stuff 10x over level, and AoE leves in 5 minute mana burns.

The balance isn't restored, but sure as heck better.

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

yeah me too.
im still stuck saying the game has potential, but there are still so many things that could be fixed including what was supposedly fixed in this patch.
why mus i press enter after highlighting a mob in order to scroll through my bars? cant i just highlight a mob and start scrolling if im in active/battle mode?....

I've played XI for 6 years so I was a SE fanatic for a long time too and still would like the game to succeed but this just doesnt work for me.

Originally Posted by kukurumei

Yea they really need to get back to the UI brain storming, so many stuff don't make sense still...like the 1 bar skill system.

But then like FF11, learn macro stream lining for now.

I hope they eventually get to UI scaling, since I play at 720p...everything is...huge.

As for progressing...I think it's about right, though XP is steep, but that's what leves and raids are for assuming you can get into PTs.

So Far, fighting an even match aka "same level" feels about right on strength level, and sp level can be better, but with a cap of 50...about right. Fighting just under your level "decent prey" is the solo way and so far works well.

Wish they would fix up the seek system, so people can actually find groups. It's finally for better or worse becoming an issue.

Arcs and mages are whiners when before they could fight stuff 10x over level, and AoE leves in 5 minute mana burns.

The balance isn't restored, but sure as heck better.

Imo they should have not released this patch without atleast a search party system and reworking mob positions to provide decent exp spots.

A search party system would definitely be welcome.

I just logged on hoping to do my hourly behest. I'm Rank 20, and I need to be Rank 25 to do dungeons. I was the only one at Camp Horizon behest. Usually, at the minimum, there are 4-5 during non-peak times. Now, at 5 p.m. PST, there was no one.

Behest wasted. Time to log off for an hour.

Just skimming through post. I gotta say, soloing is not nerfed. I can still solo a leve with mobs 10 ranks higher than me. I soloed a coblyn 12 ranks higher than me. I soloed a behest with mobs 5 ranks higher than me in about 4 minutes with medium effort.

Also saw a comment about using bloodbath and second wind sucking up tp. Um... no it doesn't. I use SW all the time and also have plenty of tp to WS.

I will say, however, that the removal of fatigue and leve reform is totally bittersweet. Nobody's sp is getting limited, but now they can't get those crazy bonuses that leves used to offer parties.

BTW, the patch did get released with a party search system. It just sucks. First, when you're looking for party seekers, you can't just look for all of them, u have to check each job. Solution would be to have the option to seek broader fields such as, DoM, DoW, All, and Rank range. Second, whenever you find a person seeking, u can't see their level unless u click their name.

Originally Posted by LuxLex

People "don't play very often" because the game is almost unplayable to most people.

A game that only appeals to a tiny fragment of fanatics will not pull in enough subscriptions to justify ongoing development.

If the developers can't find a way to make this game fun for normal people, it will be pulled offline or allowed to languish with nary an update for years.

Didn't you say the reason people don't play very often is because of life issues?

Considering FFXI is still online and being updated, I'm pretty sure there's still a market for gamers who want an entertaining timesink. You don't like it? That's fine, I understand that you just want a quick slice of cake, but you shouldn't hate on people who want to make the cake before eating it all. That's so egocentric to think that games should always cater to casual players just because it's part of a larger audience you belong to.
If it's not a game that appeals to your interests, it's not worth playing for you. Saying that people should be ashamed of seaking out long term goals and enjoying the journey has no bearing on logic at all. Just self centered opinion.

Now that that's been said, I'm sure Square will add more solo friendly content down the line, but right now, they're giving the audience and critics what they've been asking for sense day one: more. Content for the core gamer, the kind of gamer that has fun with a challenge and group play. This really shouldn't come as a surprise when only a few months ago people where complaining that the game was way too easy and mindless, expecially for Archers and the Mage classes.

Originally Posted by Gramul

Didn't you say the reason people don't play very often is because of life issues?

Considering FFXI is still online and being updated, I'm pretty sure there's still a market for gamers who want an entertaining timesink. You don't like it? That's fine, I understand that you just want a quick slice of cake, but you shouldn't hate on people who want to make the cake before eating it all. That's so egocentric to think that games should always cater to casual players just because it's part of a larger audience you belong to.
If it's not a game that appeals to your interests, it's not worth playing for you. Saying that people should be ashamed of seaking out long term goals and enjoying the journey has no bearing on logic at all. Just self centered opinion.

Now that that's been said, I'm sure Square will add more solo friendly content down the line, but right now, they're giving the audience and critics what they've been asking for sense day one: more. Content for the core gamer, the kind of gamer that has fun with a challenge and group play. This really shouldn't come as a surprise when only a few months ago people where complaining that the game was way too easy and mindless, expecially for Archers and the Mage classes.

No doubt there is market for that, I'm currently in a market for entertaining time sink. FFXIV is not it.

To be honest and in my opinon

patch 1.18 provides good update in the game.

for me the game is more responsive in term of technical issues and such.
i love idea about enmity and how a "smart" party play is needed in a party

in terms of solo play.
i as a former hardcore player in MMORPG but now a forced casual player (due to work and such..)
i can say that solo play has been better. but not still not good enough or what as i have it in my mind, we can say that SE have been trying to balance a mix of solo and party play on both sides. but i think SE you can do better than this.

in terms of mp cost. its a bit surprising as CON/THM are my only class for now. but i think i or we mages can adapt to it.
i haven't tried party play yet and haven't explored most of the changes. but i think its fair to say that SE is making things work around here or doing something about it. But still SE needs to try harder. As time is running out on FFXIV,

To everyone who complains, well i guess we cant please everyone. we are all entitled to our own different opinions.

in my opinion,
The game still free up to this point. i might as well wait and see what can it offer and if its still worth paying when that day comes.

Originally Posted by Cichy

No doubt there is market for that, I'm currently in a market for entertaining time sink. FFXIV is not it.

I'm more talking about the idea of a timesink. Lux seems to think that they are no longer valid in this day and age and appears to be concerned that that's the direction FFXIV is headed.