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    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Miles Saintborough
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    White Mage Lv 100
    If mage users start to outclass melee users in terms of HP, then that party is severely undergeared. I once had a run where me as a white mage had more HP than the tank, even though it was a few hundred points difference.
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    Aelinau Laerin
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    If mage users start to outclass melee users in terms of HP, then that party is severely undergeared. I once had a run where me as a white mage had more HP than the tank, even though it was a few hundred points difference.
    Fresh 50s start with 3kish hp... some people would rather gear by dungeons then buy gear off the ah... people with the mindset that high hp/gear means "omg this person will be awesome" will be sorely disappointed..just saying.

    Back to topic.. you did nothing wrong..i once had a tnk that couldnt keep hate off i65-i70dps but after examining gear i noticed he was gearing by dungeon so i slowed dps and gave him a little bit more time to get hatega. It was alittle slower yes but it helped. If you run into this again perhaps try to slow ur dps and give the tnk alittle more time to grab hate. Not everyone is overly geared as the older players and many like to actually gear by content. In any case the tnk should have seen the healer struggling and
    1. grabbed less mobs
    2. Agreed with you to single target kill
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    Tigerclaw's Avatar
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    Tigerclaw Shishou
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Aelinau View Post
    Fresh 50s start with 3kish hp... some people would rather gear by dungeons then buy gear off the ah... people with the mindset that high hp/gear means "omg this person will be awesome" will be sorely disappointed..just saying.
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    High HP may not equal high skill, but being pathetically undergeared (AF, PVP gear, etc. in anything beyond WP) is a trend among lazy people who want everyone else to work harder so that they can skip a reasonable gear progression. I was in Lost City with an AF DRG wearing a lvl 9 ring, an NQ one at that. Similar situation with a PLD wearing STR+ accessories (and not the good kind). Similar situation with noob SMN's and DRG's who have the HP - but because they added VIT instead of their DPS stats. The game is full of scrubs who need to be shamed and ridiculed, not coddled with talk of HP being irrelevant to skill.
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    Last edited by Tigerclaw; 06-07-2014 at 12:49 AM.

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    Aelinau's Avatar
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    Aelinau Laerin
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerclaw View Post
    . The game is full of scrubs who need to be shamed and ridiculed, not coddled with talk of HP being irrelevant to skill.
    How about shining some light on these players in "awful" gear then letting them cont in such a state? you are correct in that some people use things in the wrong way...(spirit bonding in dungeons for one) i was only pointing out that the OP ilvl was probably much higher then the tnk(we dont really know as it wasnt said).. therefor alot easier for him to take hate off said tnk.

    On a side note haukke drops ilvl60 gear..for those wanting to gear through dungeons.. an ilvl 70+ on a geared for dungeon only tnk can take hate off said person. You cant expect people to spend 100k-300k i70 to 700k+ i90lvl (famfrit) off ah or lvl all crafts to 50 to chance crafting it themselves.. Casual gamers, Fresh players take time to gear. That being said im not making excuses for those "lazy" people you speak of but more giving another point of view on the matter.
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    Wintersandman's Avatar
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    Winter Sandman
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Aelinau View Post
    hatega.
    The new AoE Threat ability we have been all waiting for.

    But in regards to the OP. I would have responded "Don't let me die then". It is better that you moved on. Imagine the last boss .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerclaw View Post
    Not all players with good gear are good players, but all good players have good gear, at least relative to the task at hand.
    I disagree with your whole sentiment. If you are trying to gear up and can queue for it. May as well. I have an i62 Dragoon and I want better gear. I can do CT, dungeons or using my i90+ pld or war to grind it out. See what I will be doing dungeons with the dragoon which includes Brayflox, Halatali, and Lost City. Will I slow the group down? Yes. But at the same time I am capable of doing the dungeon. It has nothing to do with the rest of the party carrying me. If you don't want to have the off chance of me dps'ing then do party finder, or find your own group.

    It does no good for me to experience the dungeons over and over again on my paladin or warrior. It also reduces my chance on getting the gear I am looking for. So the majority of the time it is better for me to play on the class that I am aiming to get the gear for. I don't see how that makes me a bad player. The ilvl requirements on dungeons are to establish the minimum someone needs. They don't need to be anymore than that to successfully complete the dungeon.
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    Last edited by Wintersandman; 06-07-2014 at 05:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintersandman View Post
    The new AoE Threat ability we have been all waiting for.
    i use "Ga" on everything blame ffxi
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