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    Marianno's Avatar
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    Synth Istituto
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    Siren
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    Arcanist Lv 85

    Something is seriously wrong

    I was doing Haukke Manor HM run earlier today with a group. Upon the start of the dungeon everything went well or at least I thought it was going well. Our DPS was comprised of a MNK and myself (BLM). I am not sure if the tank noticed this but the MNK only had 3200HP and I have 4931HP on my BLM and the healer had 2991HP (SCH). The tank asked me to use my aoe abilities so as to make the dungeon go faster. I died many times and we weren't even at the first boss yet. The healer couldn't heal through all of the dmg, the tank wasn't keeping trash off of me and I got thrashed every time lol. Knowing that the MNK has little aoe and the healer is relatively new to the dungeon as he stated so in the beginning, I told the tank that I refuse to use my aoe's anymore. After finally making it to the second boss fight and killing ash the tank started trash talking me and the voted dismissed me from the party because I wouldn't use my aoe's anymore. Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?
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    A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider's Avatar
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    Gierness Volstenn
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Yeah: you partied with some really lame players. Especially the tank if he couldn't hold hate.
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    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 100
    If mage users start to outclass melee users in terms of HP, then that party is severely undergeared. I once had a run where me as a white mage had more HP than the tank, even though it was a few hundred points difference.
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    Aelinau's Avatar
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    Aelinau Laerin
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    Famfrit
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    If mage users start to outclass melee users in terms of HP, then that party is severely undergeared. I once had a run where me as a white mage had more HP than the tank, even though it was a few hundred points difference.
    Fresh 50s start with 3kish hp... some people would rather gear by dungeons then buy gear off the ah... people with the mindset that high hp/gear means "omg this person will be awesome" will be sorely disappointed..just saying.

    Back to topic.. you did nothing wrong..i once had a tnk that couldnt keep hate off i65-i70dps but after examining gear i noticed he was gearing by dungeon so i slowed dps and gave him a little bit more time to get hatega. It was alittle slower yes but it helped. If you run into this again perhaps try to slow ur dps and give the tnk alittle more time to grab hate. Not everyone is overly geared as the older players and many like to actually gear by content. In any case the tnk should have seen the healer struggling and
    1. grabbed less mobs
    2. Agreed with you to single target kill
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    Nicobo's Avatar
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    Nico Nico
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    Goblin
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    Alchemist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Marianno View Post
    ...tank asked me to use my aoe abilities ...please tell me what I did wrong?
    Did he mean Blizzard II...^^;
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    16bitBounty's Avatar
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    Alyssin Kiger
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Sorry to hear this. I did Haukke Manor yesterday and we absolutely steamrolled it. The tank was brilliant. We had a great healer and the other DPS and I were tearing down mobs. I'd love to run Haukke Manor again. Sadly on to bigger and better things I guess.
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    Coth_X's Avatar
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    Coth Ex
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    Goblin
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    Marauder Lv 50
    The tank's job regardless of instance is to keep mobs on him, if he was alive and mobs were attacking anyone but him, he was doing something wrong or poorly geared. Weapon can matter a lot.

    You did nothing wrong and assuming the entire party was random and there were no premade portions, the other dps probably voted cause he didn't want to requeue.
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    Donjo's Avatar
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Coth_X View Post
    The tank's job regardless of instance is to keep mobs on him, if he was alive and mobs were attacking anyone but him, he was doing something wrong or poorly geared. Weapon can matter a lot.

    You did nothing wrong and assuming the entire party was random and there were no premade portions, the other dps probably voted cause he didn't want to requeue.
    It's not just the Tank's job to keep the mobs on him. It's also the DPS' job to watch their aggro and not take anything. The OP was doing his job correctly and got kicked for it. That's a problem.
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    Tigerclaw Shishou
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Aelinau View Post
    Fresh 50s start with 3kish hp... some people would rather gear by dungeons then buy gear off the ah... people with the mindset that high hp/gear means "omg this person will be awesome" will be sorely disappointed..just saying.
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    High HP may not equal high skill, but being pathetically undergeared (AF, PVP gear, etc. in anything beyond WP) is a trend among lazy people who want everyone else to work harder so that they can skip a reasonable gear progression. I was in Lost City with an AF DRG wearing a lvl 9 ring, an NQ one at that. Similar situation with a PLD wearing STR+ accessories (and not the good kind). Similar situation with noob SMN's and DRG's who have the HP - but because they added VIT instead of their DPS stats. The game is full of scrubs who need to be shamed and ridiculed, not coddled with talk of HP being irrelevant to skill.
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    Last edited by Tigerclaw; 06-07-2014 at 12:49 AM.

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    Aelinau Laerin
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerclaw View Post
    . The game is full of scrubs who need to be shamed and ridiculed, not coddled with talk of HP being irrelevant to skill.
    How about shining some light on these players in "awful" gear then letting them cont in such a state? you are correct in that some people use things in the wrong way...(spirit bonding in dungeons for one) i was only pointing out that the OP ilvl was probably much higher then the tnk(we dont really know as it wasnt said).. therefor alot easier for him to take hate off said tnk.

    On a side note haukke drops ilvl60 gear..for those wanting to gear through dungeons.. an ilvl 70+ on a geared for dungeon only tnk can take hate off said person. You cant expect people to spend 100k-300k i70 to 700k+ i90lvl (famfrit) off ah or lvl all crafts to 50 to chance crafting it themselves.. Casual gamers, Fresh players take time to gear. That being said im not making excuses for those "lazy" people you speak of but more giving another point of view on the matter.
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