Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
I have not accepted defeat. I just don't require that meet us half-way as a starting point. I just don't need to them to make that leap immediately. Just because you can't push a string does NOT mean you can not thread a needle right? I can be more patient and hopeful. So it goes back to going slower.
I don't expect to start mid way. That's unrealistic. You'll start dungeons sometimes with brand new players that can't possibly meet half way. I thread the needle is when I see problems occurring over and over and they aren't getting corrected naturally so I'll pop up and offer advice. I only offer the advice after the problem appears to be systemic in the players technique and is causing problems or preventing advancement in the dungeon. Just because I want to help people doesn't mean I'm giving them a lecture before the first pull. I sit back, I observe, I play along, and only if necessary do I give advice. My entire stance has been moderation from the beginning.