I don't understand...

[ManweSulimo]

The best story I got is where I ended up in a stone vigil party with a tank that couldn't hold agro against even one of my fire IIs. The other dps and the healer tried to convince me that I should only be doing fire I cause it's more dps and I won't pull agro. So I said the tank needed to learn to hold agro and he said he wouldn't pull agro off me anymore so I died. And while I was walking back they banned together and votekicked me for not listening to them because they didn't believe me that fire II is better against mobs. Then I went to Haukke Manor and never pulled agro once using Fire IIs :P

[Foo01]

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The tank may have trouble with aggro so he wanted to attack single targets. The healer wants to keep things simple for the tank, so go slower don't AOE the group. They asked you nicely and you had to go get yourself vote kicked. Could the tank do better, maybe, but then again perhaps not at that time. It does not matter that another tank in Haukke can deal with it. It is all about learning to play together.

There was this one time I was playing the PLD in toto-rak and I had this BLM that claimed that he can be a better tank, after I asked him not to grab aggro while I was still marking targets. He refused to listen. After three attempts to get thru to him, I made him be tank and I switched to healing using cure on my PLD on every one else but the BLM, and he was left with kite tanking. He wanted to be in such a hurry to blow thru stuff and wouldn't allow people to work together. Well now it took twice as long. It is not always about doing it as fast as possible.

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He clearly states he does not need to 100% speed run. He also asks questions why certain jobs do so and so. I have yet to see the part where he damands things. Is his tone kind? I guess not. Do I understand his frustration? Yes.

I also understand his frustration. I know I have lost it myself in team play on things like SC/BW and SC2 when the same guy (real life friend no less) still can not hold against a 6-pool and then refuses to train with me where I can get him reps so he know exactly what to do and do it fast, but even there that is really not justified. So this being a MMO where players are encourage to play and be themselves and not have to deal with some high intensity high stress environment, the demand to optimize is clearly not the norm that should promoted. But what I see here in this thread are pro-elitist stances who think everyone must optimize like them and doing any else is like a crime. That attitude makes it no fun for a vast majority of players who are playing earnest and for fun but don't want to take it to that extreme.