I don't understand...

[Gormogon]

I don't call people bad players. Only the elitist are the bad players. Trolls on the other hand do exist but are very rare, but they laugh at you when they cause a wipe. They will be gleefully celebrating that score, because to them that is the same as touch down or home run. I give all players the benefit of the doubt until they reveal themselves.

I'll be the first to admit that my patience is not infinite nor is my time. And when you wiped 15 time with 5 minutes remaining and looks like no chance for success I've elected to vote abandon, but that has also very rarely happened. What has happened way more often is the elitist that rage quits after the 1st or 2nd wipe. But they are not trolls, just obnoxious elitist speed runners and I run into them rage quitting at least twice to three times a week because someone on the team is bit undergeared, new, and caused a wipe or two.

Now that makes more sense and I will then so agree.

I'm not sure about you but if I do notice someone intentionally playing horribly I do use a list and with a reason why I have them in there so if I ever group with them again months later I can see if they have improved or not. For the most part it's a useless list since most of those players seem to have latency issue and just want to play regardless of it. Yet knowing ahead of time that they have the potential to disconnect or lag behind helps me a lot in taking into consideration my course of action through out the fight. I've improvised a lot during DF groups and stalled the fight long enough to have the mobs and bosses drop.

Yet as far as reporting trolls it's truly ever justified if they are pulling additional groups ahead of the tank on purpose to cause wipes especially when the tank or healer tell them to stop. That is harassment in comparison to some of the stories I hear of here in FFXIV. I haven't seen that happen here in FFXIV but I've seen it in other MMO's.

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For the most part if the person doesn't ask for help on their rotation then it's better not to bother with advice. Especially when you aren't playing their same role and trying to justify the advice with, "I main that job" ends up sounding very rude and disrespectful.

One of the things I have noticed in DF is that if someone else is playing the same DPS role and you through your own rotation and damage amaze the other player then they will be more willing to accept advice on their job.

Some players need to understand that if they aren't really a people person then they can't expect someone to willingly listen and follow by forcing advice.