I don't understand...

[Tiggy]

One of the best replies I've ever seen in these types of threads was something along the lines of "Telling people how to play is elitist, kicking them is elitist, leaving is elitist. Only if you remain silent and wipe for all eternity will you not be considered elitist." Lol. I've since lost the quote, though

That's the moral some of the more extreme people here would have you believe.

God forbid we want to help people. God forbid we be good caring people. God forbid we build a community on the basis of helping others. God forbid we act in a moderate manner that matches more real life situations more than extreme positions and examples consistently provided in this thread.

As this thread continues that's all that will keep being said. Shut up and deal with it or your being too "elite." Those of us who are more realistic and just want to help will be pounded on for being elitists. In an mmo it's apparently impossible to help people without being labeled an elitist. That's the story being told here, and it's pathetic.

[Foo01]

That's the moral some of the more extreme people here would have you believe. ...
... Those of us who are more realistic and just want to help will be pounded on for being elitists. In an mmo it's apparently impossible to help people without being labeled an elitist. That's the story being told here, and it's pathetic.

I've been helped by plenty of players and I've helped plenty of players. I the only problems I have on a regular basis (three times a week) are elitist speed runner trying to for speed runs on people that are not ready, whatever the dungeon. There are many ways to help other players, but the one thing that can help most to reset the expectation so that people understand that speed running is a nice bonus but not a must have. This way it can be more relaxed and people will have less drama. And there will be no need to nitpick over other people rotations and such.

[Tiggy]

I've been helped by plenty of people and I've helped plenty of players. I the only problems I have on a regular basis (three times a week) are elitist speed runner trying to for speed runs on people that are not ready, whatever the dungeon. There are many ways to help other players, but the one thing that can help most to reset the expectation so that people understand that speed running is a nice bonus but not a must have. This way it can be more relaxed and people will have less drama. And there will be no need to nitpick over other people rotations and such.

At what point in this ENTIRE thread did I EVER act like I was forcing speed runs on people? At what point have I EVER acted that way? Please. Illustrate for me. For as far as I can tell all I've asked for in this entire thread was moderation from BOTH sides. Yet here you are. Constantly assuming I'm trying to force speed runs or something. Can you not accept for five seconds that I'm NOT talking about some a-hole player trying to force a speed run? Can you try to accept my words for what I'm actually saying instead of coloring it with your assumptions of who I am and what I do?

Maybe one day when they allow you to punch through the internet you can get your point across to all those bad playing the game by force who are hurting you since you wont do anything productive from your end outside of barking orders.

This is a good illustration of the problem with this thread. Despite actually giving an example earlier in this thread of a way to give advice while being respectful the assumption is still that we are "barking" orders. Words that we say don't get through because they instantly become colored with biased assumptions. "When they said "tips" they must mean they are just shouting at that player." It's these kinds of assumptions that make this entire conversation break down. There is no middle ground. No possible way to do it better and kinder. None at all. Anything AT ALL is too much.

These kind of responses leave ZERO room for any discussion because to these people it's their way or the high way. You can't possibly have an argument or a better way because if it isn't their way your too elite and just barking orders.

[Kerberon]

That's the moral some of the more extreme people here would have you believe.

God forbid we want to help people. God forbid we be good caring people. God forbid we build a community on the basis of helping others. God forbid we act in a moderate manner that matches more real life situations more than extreme positions and examples consistently provided in this thread.

As this thread continues that's all that will keep being said. Shut up and deal with it or your being too "elite." Those of us who are more realistic and just want to help will be pounded on for being elitists. In an mmo it's apparently impossible to help people without being labeled an elitist. That's the story being told here, and it's pathetic.

Agreed, this you can't ever give advice kick the militant casuals are on is disgusting.

[Foo01]

Agreed, this you can't ever give advice kick the militant casuals are on is disgusting.

When pigs fly then maybe your militant casual can be found at the end of the rainbow. There are not militant casuals see:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...49#post2164549

[Gormogon]

Agreed, this you can't ever give advice kick the militant casuals are on is disgusting.

The irony is that you can't take advice either.

Maybe one day when they allow you to punch through the internet you can get your point across to all those bad playing the game by force who are hurting you since you wont do anything productive from your end outside of barking orders.

[Priya]

My god, the string analogies are getting out of hand, people! They don't even make sense; no one speaks like that. Lol.


Carry on. /Popcorn

[Cap75]

Why is it so hard to go slower an accomodate them instead of berating them or kicking them? Why make demands of those who may or may not have the ability at that time to meet your higher expectations (even if the expectations are that high)? If it is easy make an adjustment on your side why not do it?

Why is it so hard for a level 42 tank to hold hate? And telling someone a better way to do something doesn't equal berating them. If they take it that way they best give up tanking cause they don't have thick enough skin for it.

[Foo01]

Why is it so hard for a level 42 tank to hold hate? And telling someone a better way to do something doesn't equal berating them. If they take it that way they best give up tanking cause they don't have thick enough skin for it.

Telling them a better way is not berating, but you run the risk of it being received that way and it has happened to turn out that way. Doesn't mean it is always that way. And if they give up tanking, or give up the game, is that really good for everyone? Maybe they just need more reps at it and figure it out. Learn by doing. Takes time, takes patience, so it naturally has to go slower.

[Cap75]

Telling them a better way is not berating, but you run the risk of it being received that way and it has happened to turn out that way. Doesn't mean it is always that way. And if they give up tanking, or give up the game, is that really good for everyone? Maybe they just need more reps at it and figure it out. Learn by doing. Takes time, takes patience, so it naturally has to go slower.

By SV how many dungeons must this tank have done? If they don't have the most basic aspect of being a tank down by that point then I would say giving up tanking is indeed good for everyone. Not everyone is cut out to tank.