I don't understand...

[Songi]

Can you imagine this tank doing T4 for example? It's these people who then cry how stuff needs to be nerfed (even though the whole party is overgeared by 5+ ilvls).

You might want to read this thread from the beginning. You'll be amazed!

Thanks! Since worlds are down I'll do just that.

[Foo01]

... He was using flash to pull and never using more than his 1-2-3 aggro chain on a single target in a group pull....
I eagerly await when he hits 50 and starts crying about elitists everywhere

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

[ispano]

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

Except not all mobs are sleepable, and a tank HAS to keep some form of AoE enmity on a group. Not just a single flash will do it. Just the healer healing normally will pull if that's all they do.

[Foo01]

Except not all mobs are sleepable, and a tank HAS to keep some form of AoE enmity on a group. Not just a single flash will do it. Just the healer healing normally will pull if that's all they do.

What AOE enmity does a GLA/PLD have in Tam-tata at level 17? So no they don't have to do AOE crap. Just slow it down. It is always the elitist speed runner that wants to force rush things and they is why they are always the problem.

Have you ever tanked or healed before?

I do both daily. And probably too much Brayflox HM no less see:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...03#post2145003

And I get 3 commendations regularly, just like last night on my iLevel85 SCH, for full pull to top of the bridge speed run. I know how the crap works and I also know how it breaks. For some players you just got to ease up on the throttle to help them.

[Fated]

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

Have you ever tanked or healed before?

[Odett]

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

Using Flash one time is not enough on a group, especially if you do not rotate RoH between mobs. A lv 42 PLD has every option minus Circle of Scorn. Songi never said anything about rushing him with large AOE bombs. It is not elitist to have someone perform their role, because that is their ROLE.

"The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first."

That goes both ways, you know. What's easier, barking at the healer and DPS telling them to adapt to your lack of enmity management and having three people expecting to adjust to you, who can't perform your role, or realize that you're losing enmity on group pulls and use Flash more than once?

[Foo01]

That goes both ways, you know. What's easier, barking at the healer and DPS telling them to adapt to your lack of enmity management and having three people expecting to adjust to you, who can't perform your role, or realize that you're losing enmity on group pulls and use Flash more than once?

The issue started up when they started to try to tell the tank want to do. The tank was not the one instigating the issue. Sure his skills may be limited or it could be that he was ungergeared. Who knows. But unsolicited advice will often end up with a mess.

Sadly the argument repeatedly put forth is that the three players should adapt to the poor player. Giving any advice is elitist.

It is not sad to have to compensate for their limitations. It is all part and parcel of playing together. Wiping is also part of playing the game and if wipes never happen then a important aspect of why any game is fun is lost. Giving advice is not elitist, ordering people around, even if you know better, however is elitist, because no one has selected you to the leader of the party.

It would be nice if they deferred to a more experienced player, but too many times they are clueless about anything and everything. And that is why the DF and PF are there for them to learn and figure this out. Even if you blurt out the answer for them, they still won't register it because sometimes they don't even know what the question/problem is.

Cut them some slack, go slower. Play for fun, don't stress yourself out or them.

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In Stone Vigil, with all the patrols, you usually WILL have to Flash more than twice. All you have to do is press one key/button that does not even break your combo.

You can separate out the patrol from the mobs. It just need you to go slower. Wait for the patrol to come to the fore and then pull just the patrol. Clear that first then move on to the next mob. It is not that hard, just be patient, go slower.

Even on Brayflox HM, it is ok to pull 4 mobs or 2, if the healer or tank can't handle more. It is Brayflox HM and not Brayflox SR.

[Cap75]

If the PLD is using flash and doing his ROH combo on single targets, what else do you want? A level 42 PLD (level synced or not) in stone vigil does NOT have very many options. Try sleeping the other mobs and assist him. Don't rush him with large AOE bombs. It is elitist attitudes like this that is problem. The elitist attitude always point the fingers at someone else instead of adapting themselves first.

Are you contractually obligated to use the word elitist in every one of your posts lol? Oh, and flashes plus rotating your aggro combo through multiple mobs is how it's done.

[Cap75]

So what I've got from recent posts: Don't tell people what they're doing wrong because that's elitist. I guess I'll just kick 'em then. Wouldn't want to be labeled as an elitist

[Priya]

So what I've got from recent posts: Don't tell people what they're doing wrong because that's elitist. I guess I'll just kick 'em then. Wouldn't want to be labeled as an elitist

One of the best replies I've ever seen in these types of threads was something along the lines of "Telling people how to play is elitist, kicking them is elitist, leaving is elitist. Only if you remain silent and wipe for all eternity will you not be considered elitist." Lol. I've since lost the quote, though