Cash shops: Whats wrong with you?

[Skull_Angel]

I just want to know the real reason folks are upset at the very mention of a cash shop in a P2P game, especially if the extra money were to go into server stability and optimization, and the items didn't affect gameplay.

In short, people think it will ruin the game or betray it's spirit.

From the other thread, this seems to be the most truthful answer.

[Dgsoil]

To HakuroDK, a 90k error means that the connection has been lost on either end, which often is more related to your own side then the game, though I won't say it's not their fault. But instead of just blaming it on them, try to find the cause on your side. Some ISP's block services like FFXIV. It can vary from game to game before you claim it's never been an issue before. There may be a fault in your connection somewhere, I actually had this problem recently where my modem was overheating and would just disconnect me. And so on and so on.

tl;dr - 90k's aren't ALWAYS SE's fault, try to trace the problem on your end and see if you come up with a solution.

On-Topic: Why do I not want a cash shop? Because Yoshi-p literally promised (not that his word means much to me at this point) this game would fail before it went f2p with a cash shop. So I guess he is going to twist it so that it's p2p with a cash shop instead? Seems like bull to me. I don't mind minor services like the Fantasia, Server Transfers, maybe even 'Namingway Cards' because that gives you no advantage (other then escaping your bad reputation), the retainer thing is a bit irksome but they had that plan back in 1.0 too so I saw it coming. If it goes much more than that then the game isn't worth subbing anymore, just my humble opinion. I won't pay a monthly fee for a game where I need to buy Gems to upgrade my weapons (common in f2p w/ cash shop games) as well, that's just TAKE MY MONEY SE mode. And they would no longer deserve it.

[Luxx]

[HakuroDK]

It's okay to not like things~
That's okay, just don't be a dick about it~!
It's okay to not like things~
Just don't be a dick about the things you don't like~!

The moral of the story? Don't take it personally when someone suggests an idea that you don't agree with. It makes you look like a dick, and when you look like a dick, it makes certain individuals take advantage of that by trolling the crap out of you.

[JemC]

I agree with the OP. This is dangerous ground. You get enough people to demand a Cash Shop there will be a Cash Shop. It is cause for concern.

[Malamasala]

I agree with the OP. This is dangerous ground. You get enough people to demand a Cash Shop there will be a Cash Shop. It is cause for concern.

But a cash shop does not have to be negative. This is as narrow minded as claiming a multiplayer game can't sell, because you'd have to play with idiots and nobody wants that.

[Karnyboy]

But a cash shop does not have to be negative. This is as narrow minded as claiming a multiplayer game can't sell, because you'd have to play with idiots and nobody wants that.

Or that nobody enjoys adventure games anymore

[HakuroDK]

One could argue that Vet rewards are exactly the same problem, because the more money you spend for your sub in advance, the more items you get than someone else who can't. Same with promotional items like the Wind-Up Dalamud/Wind-Up Bahamut/CE Items. You have to buy the OSTs and/or the CE in order to get those items, otherwise you can't ever get them.

Unless the cash shop sells items that grant stat boosts or items that unlock certain Cash Shop-exclusive dungeons, quests, and similar content to that, I honestly lack the ability to care about a cash shop in the game.

I mean, I'm seeing the game as having terrible servers with SE not really doing much to help the FFXIV team to improve said servers so I feel like they need more money due to the lack of bones they're being thrown, but what do I know? I'm just one of those players who wants to help FFXIV get rid of the 90k errors and the inability to have private housing. And if I get virtual items that feed my Completionist OCD? Then I see it as a win-win situation. Hell, on a personal level, I don't even care if there are P2W items on said cash shop. But I do know that, if there are, then a lot of players will unsub and the game will die a slow, agonizing death, and I don't want that.

[Rose_Vilehart]

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We are both on balmung i dont see these server problems you are speaking about also: you dont see a problem with cash shop, great! but so many other people do that if SE actually did it the game would probably die

[HakuroDK]

We are both on balmung i dont see these server problems you are speaking about also: you dont see a problem with cash shop, great! but so many other people do that if SE actually did it the game would probably die

I don't think you're quite right, let me explain on a point-by-point basis.

First, the server issues. I have probably a 15% chance that my game will crash on teleport. Whether that is a server thing or a game glitch, I lack the credentials to say which is which. However, I do know that there are a number of folks on Balmung that I have run with, including myself personally, who has suffered from the dreaded 90k error and got booted from the game. That has happened to me a large number of times, and at least twice, I have been booted to the lobby, only to get hit with a 2001 lobby error as my game forcequits on me. Those are observations I've had, and I am aware that game experiences vary. But the fact of the matter is that the reason that we do not have private housing, and that GC housing is limited (and was stupid expensive at the start) is because the servers are not exactly optimal for handling housing and are in a dire need of upgrading. That I know for a fact because Yoshi has gone on record to say that multiple times.

Second, the cash shop. Like I said, as long as it's flooded with stuff that doesn't increase stats or unlock dungeons, quests, and other related content, then I think a cash shop is fine. Who does it hurt when people can buy Fantasias? Or if there are exclusive sets of Level 50 "All Classes" gear with zero stats on it. Like, say... a SOLDIER 1st Class set that makes a character dress up like Cloud from FFVII or something. I just don't see how that's necessarily gamebreaking other than for bitter immersion-purists who spend their off-RP hours whining about people with Lightning hair.

I'm just trying to understand your point of view while trying to get you to understand mine, that's all.