Cash shops: Whats wrong with you?

[ShinkuTachi]

[Rose_Vilehart]

[Bloodclaw]

Off topic: sorry, but these are cute gifs.

[Rose_Vilehart]

Off topic: sorry, but these are cute gifs.

i wish there was a way to block you from posting..........

[Bloodclaw]

i wish there was a way to block you from posting..........

So long as you all don't bash me, and keep calling me a troll I won't bother. None of you seem to get why I am so angry on the subject. I don't like the idea of P2W with sub no one does, and that is what we got. I have a zero tolerance on the subject as to most people protesting in the 3rd thread, a re-has of what I was trying to do in the 1st before it got hi-jacked by the subject of if it is P2W or not. I am pissed about how many people are so blind and fan crazed for this game they can see that it is passing off this "service" a P2W service as if it wasn't. If people can't see that the P2W cash shop item is already here, accepted as alright, and NOT EVEN SEEN as P2W then more will happen because so long as they are crafty enough to fool its customers into thinking it is not P2W subscription purchase then they can come out with more services like it.

In one way this is WORSE than P2W in F2P, at l least in those games you pay only once for things like this and you have it with no need for subscription to it. I would be even more pissed if it wasn't for the fact that the effect gain was so minimal, but it is P2W.

This game could very passively go the way of ESO with a big cash shop with p2W, and a sub. At that point I hope it dies for the market's sake.

[Cherie]

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Oh no doubt, I agree, I don't like it when anything that is that level of useful is offered for cash money either. When the game Rift went F2P there were big discussions over that kind of stuff at the release of their cash shop.
They allowed purchase of all kinds of actual armor and weapons and their argument was that since they weren't offering the high end versions (yet) that it wasn't pay to win. Granted, it's not like they were offering a big advantage to people willing to pay, as the gear offered wasn't even "raid ready" and it was expensive (around 30$ US if I remember right). Even so, just mentioning P2W was rather incendiary as everyone seemed to want to defend their beloved game.

I can see why you'd approach it the way you did, but still your obvious message is obvious. People tend to look the other way on stuff like this and it's kind of silly. Anyone trying to call it for what anyone not playing this game would call it is bound to be met with hostility. It *is* a slippery slope and I can see why it's a important issue. What's to stop SE from releasing something new that pushes the envelope a bit more? I do find the retainer thing a bit benign as it is such a tiny advantage if that, but I believe that it's just a doorway to something bigger and more ominous.

[Shneibel]

i wish there was a way to block you from posting..........

can always set him to ignore list

[Moirear]

1. I don't think FFXIV is going F2P anytime soon.
2. Cash shop items like Fantasia potions and extra retainers being sold for real money.
3. Have people pay for subscriptions AND cash shop items.
4. No ???? - profit!

In all seriousness, I boycott the whole cash shop thing. I support this game and the subscription model because I loathe cash shops and F2P financing models. I strongly dislike the idea of them having the offers from #2 up there and possibly even more. When people asked for Fantasia potions or extra retainers, what exactly went and stopped them from making these things obtainable via in-game means? Like quests, or spending abhorrent amounts of gil, or whatnot? Cash shops in a subscription-based game just come across as dirty money grabs to some people.

If this is unlogical to you, then I don't know what to say.

[Skull_Angel]

In all seriousness, I boycott the whole cash shop thing. I support this game and the subscription model because I loathe cash shops and F2P financing models. I strongly dislike the idea of them having the offers from #2 up there and possibly even more. When people asked for Fantasia potions or extra retainers, what exactly went and stopped them from making these things obtainable via in-game means? Like quests, or spending abhorrent amounts of gil, or whatnot? Cash shops in a subscription-based game just come across as dirty money grabs to some people.

If this is unlogical to you, then I don't know what to say.

While no, it isn't quite logical (I mean you could argue that it is because you already pay a sub.), it is a very strong opinion that others share.

[HakuroDK]

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Posts like this make me wonder if anyone else watched Yoshi's MMO seminar video when it went up on the web, about how Subscription and Cash Shop models can coexist when done right, or if I'm just taking crazy pills.

I saw those Fantasia threads. People were asking for them to be put up for sale for RL money. I can't say the same about retainers because I didn't see that many threads about them. But I do know people were and are more than happy to spend money on them.

I just want to know the real reason folks are upset at the very mention of a cash shop in a P2P game, especially if the extra money were to go into server stability and optimization, and the items didn't affect gameplay.