Almost everyone wants to "skip" having to raid!

[IveraIvalice]

I can totally appreciate the idea of a static as feeling like a "doctor's appointment". But then again, what about people that do things outside of games on their computer?
Maybe it's just my age talking, but I can remember things like, well having tennis lessons that were on a certain time and date... Or going swimming every Tuesday with friends. Maybe some of you play a tabletop game like Warhammer with friends on Wednesdays. Is a online "static" really that different than a activity like that? It's actually a lot less involved than those really, considering you could eat a sandwich while doing it and no one would know (Unless you leave you mic open!). Also you could play your static group without wearing pants (Pants only slow down raiders anyway, it's a fact!)!

That's true but it's all about the individual. While there are definetly people who have other things scheduled like tennis lessons and it wouldn't be much different then that. I'm not one of those people. I never have any appointments for anything unless I know I need to, but not for hobbies. I don't play any other mmos. This is the one I stuck with since 1.0.
The difference here is that you mentioned doing those scheduled things with friends. I can't make a static with friends and I don't want to make one with random people.
It's not hard to find a static but it is if I want to play with people I know. I want to make friends with new people just by meeting them, not because I'm forced to like a group because their static schedule matches my free time.

The whole thing just feels like a chore. You must interact with people you don't know, you must make friends with them or tolerate them just to get the raid done, you must be good or you'll make them mad and might get kicked, and often times you must have a mic.
None of that seems fun to me. Again there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure it's all just efficiency for those that do it, but it doesn't work for me

[AiChyan]

To me its the difficulty of being in a static in a server where many many people live in entirely different time zones than me.

Server transfer isn't possible for me so I'm stuck doing botany

[JeniLinsky]

Frankly, the vast majority of people I meet in Pick-up groups aren't interesting in any way. They don't interact, or they spend most of their time criticizing the way I do my job, instead of concentrating on doing their own. My circle of friends is small, and to do raids, we most often have to pick up three or four randoms. Not particularly enjoyable.

I'd rather just run with my friends in content we can handle on our own. Who really cares about the gear?

[Gilraen]

Frankly, the vast majority of people I meet in Pick-up groups aren't interesting in any way. They don't interact, or they spend most of their time criticizing the way I do my job, instead of concentrating on doing their own. My circle of friends is small, and to do raids, we most often have to pick up three or four randoms. Not particularly enjoyable.

I'd rather just run with my friends in content we can handle on our own. Who really cares about the gear?

This is alot of the problem why people don't like doing raids. It's not the raids, people enjoy any reason to play with other people. That's the point of an MMO. It's 'those people' that are the problem, the malcontents who only want the content run specific to their criteria. Like the rest of us are incapable completing a dungeon unless we follow their rules of success. In short, the elitists. I love doing dungeons, it's fun to see the different ways people run them. But I don't need some immature little snot telling me that I should be using X rotation instead of that I'm using. As long as I'm contributing and we clear the place how you play is meaningless.

[TeganLaron]

Raiding isn't exactly a 24/7 thing and its pretty common for casual even hardcore statics to meet twice a week for 2~ hours a night. You seriously can't make time for 4 hours in a week, and do whatever you need to do prior to raid time on days that you aren't working?

Unless you have a job which has fairly unreasonable hours or raid during off peak hours and can't find a group that can sync with your time, I can't really see how joining a static is such a 'restraint' on your schedule.

I think that's great that your static does it like that, but most (at least on my server) are not like that at all. Most do around 4 nights a week between 2-3 hours. That's a little too much for most people.

[Kinseykinz]

Lock out of Coil 2 will probably be removed once Coil 3 is out.

Yeah, but if coil 1 is any indicator, they will ALSO nerf Coil 2 at this point....which while maybe some folk enjoy, kinda still ruins the fun for others.

Hell my original BC coil static fell apart because half of us wanted to beat T5 pre-nerf and the other half 'why waste our time now, we'll just beat at nerf, farm it and move on'

For people who like including others, striving to be their best, but progressing at a steady pace with friends, this current system is poo.

If they changed nothing else other than 'locking' you from being able to lot gear in the 2nd coil once you 'cleared' that turn for the week, they would ease up restrictions enough for most FC's to be able to help each other out more....instead of the 'too bad for you 5 who didn't make it in the static, guess you'll have to pug it/wait until you find people to run with'.

[Cherie]

I think that's great that your static does it like that, but most (at least on my server) are not like that at all. Most do around 4 nights a week between 2-3 hours. That's a little too much for most people.

Four nights a week? I think even the most hardcore FC on Leviathan server schedules only three nights. My old static raided for one night a week and we were working on turn 9 (though admittedly, how much can you do when you raid 2.5hrs a week as we did, so we weren't probably going to down it soon).

If "most" of your FCs on your server are doing four nights, they'd better be on turn 10 (I know there is no such thing...)! lol....seriously, what would they do with four nights? Turn 9 is very difficult yes, but it's something that quite a few have managed to down on leviathan server. If a FC spent four nights a week on it, that wouldn't even be for very long because they'd probably down turn 9. After that, what will they do the other 3 nights? :/

I apologize for being one to doubt, but I think you are exaggerating just a tad bit there... I can get your point however that some FC take raiding very seriously but, I would suggest they are the exception and not the rule. I'm very serious (like a heart attack) when I say that hardcore FC's in this game are a very small minority. Mostly for the fact that they are serious for a bit, clear everything, then just farm for the rest of their time until the next patch comes out.

[Lunavi]

Having played MMO's since they were something you did on a BBS over telnet (dont judge me) I agree that raiding these days seems to take a back burner where people want the best gear from killing the same thing 300 times. Not sure when this changed I remember when people were ok with getting good loot from mundane tasks while the great loot was reserved for those epic fights. For me I dont raid much anymore, to me its simply a matter of not having the drive I did back then. But I dont care that the best loot comes from coil while I simply have access to good loot. People need a reason to run this stuff otherwise it would simply be a matter of logging in running the same dungoen 10x logging out for the week and honestly... that sounds like the lamest game ever... how could you even try to sell that..

(D)EV: "So we are making an MMO..."
(P)ublisher "Ok what are your ideas"
(D): OK we got this dungeon with 3 bosses takes 15mins you run it 10x then you buy an item
(P): and what do you use this gear for
(D): to run the dungeon again
(P): OK and then what
(D): oh.. you want more? uhhh you log in the next week and do the same
(P): so there is nothing hard
(D): nah people dont want that
(P): then why gear, why play at all
(D): because.... dungeons !
(P): why would someone pay money every month to play with that
(D): because dungeons !
(P): not seeing a point to this
(D): people will trust me
(P): Get out
(D): ok sorry

The reason behind that for me is due to the simple fact that the MMO community have changed. It is no longer people who look for a fun time with other people, it is people who want to show of their e-peen. And how do they do that? Well, by excluding other whose e-peens are not as long as theirs. It would be one thing not having SCoB gear if it did not mean that I would get locked out from doing any kind of content but sadly with the modern MMO community it does. Look at WoW for example: To run the raid mode where the highest end loot drop you almost already have to have the loot in question to get into the groups. That is the issue. I have no problem with people having to fight for gear, but when not having it means being excluded from doing the content in itself something is really wrong.

I am not saying that this game is that bad yet, but I want to empatize the YET in that statement.

[Cherie]

The reason behind that for me is due to the simple fact that the MMO community have changed. It is no longer people who look for a fun time with other people, it is people who want to show of their e-peen. And how do they do that? Well, by excluding other whose e-peens are not as long as theirs. It would be one thing not having SCoB gear if it did not mean that I would get locked out from doing any kind of content but sadly with the modern MMO community it does. Look at WoW for example: To run the raid mode where the highest end loot drop you almost already have to have the loot in question to get into the groups. That is the issue. I have no problem with people having to fight for gear, but when not having it means being excluded from doing the content in itself something is really wrong.

I am not saying that this game is that bad yet, but I want to empatize the YET in that statement.

Was there a time when it was different? It's been that way for a really long time... Elitism in games is nothing new, people did that when WoW was first released really. The only MMO game I played where no one cared about gear was City of Heroes but that was because there was no gear to get.

[Logistical]

Yeah, but if coil 1 is any indicator, they will ALSO nerf Coil 2 at this point....which while maybe some folk enjoy, kinda still ruins the fun for others.

Without this coming off elitist. This is nobodies fault. Make a static around times that work for you, or in the long run you have to deal. Coil 2 will end up being nerfed more than likely; and while I have plenty of friends that see it this was as well, none of them have honestly complained. They get up and try again, and push themselves to be better.


I work graveyard shift on a PST based server. I made a static that works around my times, with a group of 7 of my friends. 4 of which started out as total strangers to me.

Hell my original BC coil static fell apart because half of us wanted to beat T5 pre-nerf and the other half 'why waste our time now, we'll just beat at nerf, farm it and move on'

Tbh in a game, with logic like that. I would avoid them because that takes all the fun out of it. If you don't want a challenge raiding isn't for you.

For people who like including others, striving to be their best, but progressing at a steady pace with friends, this current system is poo.

My group strives to be their best. Progress at a steady pace only 2 nights a week. 2-3 Hours a night [Changes if IRL happens, and it does]. We cleared it out and now spend 2 hours a week clearing out coil. Getting faster with gear.

If they changed nothing else other than 'locking' you from being able to lot gear in the 2nd coil once you 'cleared' that turn for the week, they would ease up restrictions enough for most FC's to be able to help each other out more....instead of the 'too bad for you 5 who didn't make it in the static, guess you'll have to pug it/wait until you find people to run with'.

A real FC would take those 5 people and recruit to help them make a static, not tell them pug it or gl hope you find a group to run with.
The lock out thing won't happen. It will take away from the one aspect of raiding that a lot of people disregard and that's the competition. It seems petty to some, but it is a thing.


I understand some people don't want to be 'bound' by a time. I understand some people want to be spontaneous and do their own thing when they want, but I don't feel a change will be coming anytime soon.