When to use Flare?

[scarebearz]

Oh yeah, and don't use Fire 2. Like, ever. As soon as you have Flare, it is obsolete.

Learn the double Flare rotation. Love the double Flare rotation. Be the best you you can be.

To be honest I think this is pretty bad advice.

[JetBrooks]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it better to stick to a single-target rotation if there are only 2 mobs?

Another time you can use flare is at the end of your single-target rotation if you have swiftcast & convert up. Of course you only want to do this if you don't need the swiftcast & convert up later for certain DPS checks.

I wouldn't say never use Fire 2, because some tanks simply can't handle Flare spam, unfortunately. You may have to use Fire 2's in situations where the tank can't handle you generating hate as quickly as you will using Flare spam.

[Kletian]

I'm hoping there's some sarcasm here. Surely it doesn't make sense to use Flares and the rely on Transpose tricks instead of just using lots of Astral 3 Fire 2s until low mana.

[NoctisUmbra]

Unless the gear/weapon difference is far too much, there's really no excuse for the tank to lose hate. Flash/Overpower spam isn't exactly rocket science. There's also Quelling Strikes.

That said, if the only reasonable use for a skill is as a way to intentionally reduce your dps output, then I think it's implied that skill is pretty much useless.

[NyneAlexander]

Also worth noting that if you screw up a double flare rotation, you are sitting and twiddling your thumbs at 0 mp for almost 2 GCD until your transpose becomes available again

[NoctisUmbra]

Yup! Good thing it's really easy to do once you get a feel for it as the window is exceptionally forgiving. A few minutes at the training dummies and anyone can get it down.

[StubHub]

Yup! Good thing it's really easy to do once you get a feel for it as the window is exceptionally forgiving. A few minutes at the training dummies and anyone can get it down.

I've seen comments like the one in bold said numerous times. Along with other things like people counting the 2 seconds in their head. Are people guessing or using an internal clock? Are people unaware that you can just use the umbral ice buff timer to see your 2 second wait time? i.e. You get your tick at 8 seconds on your UI buff, you would start your cast at 6 seconds on your UI buff.

Just throwing it out there because i've seen enough people say things that lead me to believe they are kind of guessing at the 2 second window when the game gives you its own timer to use.

[NoctisUmbra]

I've seen comments like the one in bold said numerous times. Along with other things like people counting the 2 seconds in their head. Are people guessing or using an internal clock? Are people unaware that you can just use the umbral ice buff timer to see your 2 second wait time? i.e. You get your tick at 8 seconds on your UI buff, you would start your cast at 6 seconds on your UI buff.

Just throwing it out there because i've seen enough people say things that lead me to believe they are kind of guessing at the 2 second window when the game gives you its own timer to use.

Personally I've just developed a feel for it. Even if I'm moving about, I know when to start casting.

The Umbral Ice buff tip is a good one. Ultimately, use whatever works for you.

[Maero]

After Your fire 2's and up until your very low on mp (after a while you will know the timing) then cast flare> convert>either swiftcast flare or just flare> Mega Ether> Flare
There you have 3 Flares
You can do more then 3 flares with transpose but using flares after you transpose is a very big loss of dps, same goes for instance if you would flare under umbral Ice
Triple flares i have been using in coil and all the new HM dungeons, and if you have 2 blm's around well yes