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    TheCurls's Avatar
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    Aija Dal
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    Idk, even Fantasia is really P2W... I see people buying 100's of them to be able to switch race when they switch class.
    If you think $10 for every class change is worth the +/- 5 points in any given stat that various subraces give....

    On topic, there is nothing acceptable. SE has already caved to the demands of fools eager to part with their money. Stop clamoring to spend more money than your subscription. If you want something, ask to have it implemented without begging to pay extra money for it.
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    Luna Nattvind
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    Omega
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurls View Post
    If you think $10 for every class change is worth the +/- 5 points in any given stat that various subraces give....

    On topic, there is nothing acceptable. SE has already caved to the demands of fools eager to part with their money. Stop clamoring to spend more money than your subscription. If you want something, ask to have it implemented without begging to pay extra money for it.
    Here it is not about whenever or not it is worth the money, here it is about that it is a clear p2w system.
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    Kat Fuzzington
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    Here it is not about whenever or not it is worth the money, here it is about that it is a clear p2w system.
    Bah, it's SO not pay to win. I paid no attention to character creation whatsoever even though I knew I'd play Bard as my main job since day one, all I cared about is what I look like. If someone was a min/maxer they would have created their character the proper race to begin with. What exactly are you going to win with 4 more stats anyway?

    Anyhoozle if SE was smart they would remove character stat differences tho, so people can't be whiny about it.
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    Olwen Mercier
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    Like many others, I say no to cash shop outside of fantasia. If they put more stuff like in game equipment, it shouldn't be anywhere near best in slot stuff (think Odin armor) an only for vanity purposes. That's still a stretch though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Anyhoozle if SE was smart they would remove character stat differences tho, so people can't be whiny about it.
    Character stat differences as in race? I've never seen anyone complain about it in this game.

    Race stat differences make perfect sense and you see it it most games with different races to choose from. Besides the differences are barely noticeable as is (which was SE's intention). A Roe WAR will have more HP than a Lala, but the difference is so small that it's negligible. Galka vs Taru in FFXI, on the other hand, had a very noticeable difference in HP and MP. Some people refused to have a Taru tank or Galka mage.

    EDIT and I just used HP as the example because it's easy.
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    Bloodclaw Talon
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    A mount would be ok at most if you ask me.
    A mount if you already have them unlocked be okay for me too.
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    Rina Inverse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodclaw View Post
    A mount if you already have them unlocked be okay for me too.
    if you already have them unlock, why would pay for it?

    as for declining subs, I will point my finger to FFXI direction

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    Meneyota Kunyaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    Idk, even Fantasia is really P2W... I see people buying 100's of them to be able to switch race when they switch class.

    A mount would be ok at most if you ask me.
    Fantasia's are U/U you could only ever have 4 without buying retainers 6 if you sprung for the extra retainers (1 on you, one on each retainer {edit} forgot you could keep one in your mail box too{/edit}). It'd be way more trouble than it's worth. What with having to; Use fantasia/go to Retainer and grab spare one then use it, Strip down, log out, go through character creation, log back in, switch jobs...etc.
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    Last edited by Pandastirfry; 05-31-2014 at 01:55 AM.

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    Thera Logo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    Idk, even Fantasia is really P2W... I see people buying 100's of them to be able to switch race when they switch class.
    This hurts my brain.
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    Luna Nattvind
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    Omega
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Logo View Post
    This hurts my brain.
    It is P2W though. If you can pay to increase your stats it is clearly P2W, moreso than buying retainers which alot of people complain about.
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    Cress Albane
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunavi View Post
    It is P2W though. If you can pay to increase your stats it is clearly P2W, moreso than buying retainers which alot of people complain about.
    I am pretty sure no one cares about the little 1% stats you get from changing a character lol. The racial stats make very small difference.
    If I had to pick, I feel like more retainers are P2W but that's not saying much. Pay to Win more Gil if you're selling a lot of things I guess, we don't even have any real good Gil sinks
    to use lol and with the ones we do have. [FC and Glamour.] You're not beating someone over anything.
    FC just for fun.
    Glamour also for fun and to look pretty. Nothing else.
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    Last edited by Luxx; 05-31-2014 at 03:54 AM.

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