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    Pandastirfry's Avatar
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    Meneyota Kunyaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karnyboy View Post
    When did gaming turn into something that can't thrive past the initial purchase?? The only reason I support Fantasia as an additional payment is to not abuse the privilege of it. There was a time when creating your character was an honest effort and you took your time and cared for your creativity.
    Quite literally....The same day that Online gaming became a Thing.

    These days, more and more games are becoming persistent, with content being added even after intial purchase, more and more money is needed not only to sustain them, but to keep people coming in, and we have begun demanding developers support titles that are celebrating their 10-12 Birthdays (hell couldn't Everquest, if it was a person, get a driver's license now?), Back in the day, games were buy it, beat it, forget it... you didn't hop on Online Multiplayer, or hope the developer would release some DLC or a new expansion pack, you got what it said on the back of the box and that was it and if you liked the game you hoped for a sequel. Back then box sales could sustain that model, because the sales of Game "X" went to pay for the development of Game "Y". Now, box sales of Game "X" goes to support continued content for Game "X" as well as development for Game "Y", and we as players have demanded this, and they have to defray that cost somewhere.

    Eventually you will hit market saturation with both box sales and subscriptions, but the need to actually fund the creation of new content outstrips the intial amount of money box sales brought in, and Subscriptions will eventually only be able to pay to keep the lights on.

    Basically. the "Blame" for Cash Shops, and paid DLC lies as equally with the Developers demanding more money out of Players, and Players demanding More Content from them.
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    Last edited by Pandastirfry; 06-01-2014 at 07:52 AM.

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    Cigaran Lanarik
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodclaw View Post
    *Glamour Items: I am 50/50 on this one, but its a possibility. Perhaps 1 set a year? Gender nutral too would be preferred.

    *Barding: More acceptable than straight up glamour to me. Maybe a cycle with a different set of barding for each zodiac period. When that gets old have versions 2+ show up, with the originals/older versions being on sale for a cheaper price.
    These two I'd get behind and support.

    For the Glamour Items, you could have a single item that displays a different appearance depending on if a female or male character equips it. You could do multiple sets in a year that cycle out quarterly but retain one main set that is only available for one year. With Barding, basically the same thing could be done. Maybe a new set with each season while also offering a yearly themed set.

    Either way if SE did offer something along these lines, it would be a great idea to have a percentage of each sale go towards a game related charity. It would be even better if there was a list of charities offered and you could choose where your money goes.
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    Bloodclaw Talon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigaran View Post
    These two I'd get behind and support.

    For the Glamour Items, you could have a single item that displays a different appearance depending on if a female or male character equips it. You could do multiple sets in a year that cycle out quarterly but retain one main set that is only available for one year. With Barding, basically the same thing could be done. Maybe a new set with each season while also offering a yearly themed set.
    I don't think I would be behind THAT much glamour items. It would destroy the little value crafting has at the moment. Only 1, maybe MAXIMUM 2, but I would really hate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cigaran View Post
    Either way if SE did offer something along these lines, it would be a great idea to have a percentage of each sale go towards a game related charity. It would be even better if there was a list of charities offered and you could choose where your money goes.
    Barding, there is a high demand and no crafting class that really steps up yet. This might change in time though.
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    Yaknow did it ever occur to anyone that they could do this without "taking out" anything from the game? Like, maybe hire a separate "make things for the cash shop"-staff that would design things nobody on the "free" team would even have thought of? Nawww man that can't happen right.

    Also please show the the section of official gaming law where it states it's illegal for P2P games to have cash shops.

    I don't get it.

    I am the type of person who LOVES vanity. It's all I'm about. Hate dungeons, hate raiding. Give me cute stuff, love it.
    I am also BROKE, so if they sold something in a cash shop I'd never ever buy it because I couldn't.
    I'd still be supporting the cash shop all the way, if it would, as I said, not help people progress or be better than others in any way.

    I'd miss out on absolutely nothing this way. Oh noes, I won't have the latest whatever fluffy bunny ears accessory. Big flipping deal. >.>
    But SE would make money.

    PS. All companies are "money grubby." It's what they do. Make money. Duh. ._.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Stuff!
    I think it's more that the game is a RPG. It is supposed to be a different world, and things other then actual playing your character shouldn't impact it in anyway at all.

    I can understand it in other MMO genres, but not in MMORPG.

    Well, that is my opinion at least.
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    Archs Crysta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Yaknow did it ever occur to anyone that they could do this without "taking out" anything from the game? Like, maybe hire a separate "make things for the cash shop"-staff that would design things nobody on the "free" team would even have thought of? Nawww man that can't happen right.
    lol, how naive.
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    Lughna Ravensworn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Yaknow did it ever occur to anyone that they could do this without "taking out" anything from the game? Like, maybe hire a separate "make things for the cash shop"-staff that would design things nobody on the "free" team would even have thought of? Nawww man that can't happen right.
    Here's the problem. If it's in the cash shop only it's not available to the people that pay their subs and won't descend into the filth that is cash shops. It's a sub game. Every item in the database should be earnable by playing the game and paying your sub with no exceptions or comprimises.
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    I think most people can also calm down at least until the point they actually decide to start selling something other than fantasia, which is there only because people asked for it. xD
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    Lana Cross
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    Bard Lv 80
    It's like i'm ramming my head against a big wall of stupid, i'm going to stop before I give myself an injury.

    Bring on the damned cash shop SE, give them what they want.
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    Pyro Frost
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    It more or less depends on the scope of the cash shop.

    Server Transfers, Retainers, and Fantasia, or even name changes are fine imo. Anything else (Vanity, Barding, Mounts, Furnishings, and etc.) is completely and utterly unacceptable. These are things that should only be left as "in-game" rewards, drops, purchases via gil, or crafted.
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