Turn 2 Enrage question

[givemeraptors]

Apples and oranges. Dodging divebombs this way, while simpler, is still JUST dodging the divebombs. It doesn't stop twister from happening. It doesn't stop the snakes from spawning. It doesn't stop dreadknights from spawning. It doesn't stop Liquid Hell. It doesn't stop hatch. So while, sure, you can say they're the same thing, they're not.

For the love of the twelve!! You are so caught up with how people use Enrage to bypass Rot but do you realize that even outside of enrage you can avoid rot by...KILLING THE FREAKING ROT NODE!!

You don't HAVE to pass Rot even if you do it the "legitimate" way. So please, let this stupid debate die already.

EDIT: Btw, you still can't bypass the resistance buffs ADS gets from the other nodes so...yeah, you're not 100% avoiding mechanics. If you give MDEF buff with an all magic group good luck with that.

[Kuwagami]

snip.

Did you actually read what I wrote or did you stop at "T5 dives are the same" ?

I was merely saying that it was also not intended by the devs. of course it doesn't prevent the other mechanics. Yet it's still the same on the point that it wasn't intended.

I know you don't like the enrage (I don't like it either, especially since laser nerf), but don't throw straw men and read what the posts are about.

[paradoxtxs]

Woggers is technically correct, but he left out a critical clause.

Non-enrage will finish the instance faster *IF* no one messes up the rot passing. One wipe and it's pretty much a wash in terms of time. More than that and you've lost time overall and are at risk of outright failure. Assuming flawless execution from a DF team usually isn't a formula for success in this game, so even people who know how to pass rot will usually just enrage to make sure the job gets done.

Unless the devs take steps, I think that rot passing is just going to get rarer and rarer as we go. The set teams that have the execution to make it worth it are all moving on to harder content with better rewards and it's just not worth the headaches for PUGs.

If you're desperate to do a rot passing group, you're probably going to have to PF it.

[Marianno]

The Allegan Rot mechanic kills a lot of people especially in the duty finder parties as Lemon mentioned earlier. Since this is easier and more efficient to some degree and somewhat easier to keep people alive people use this tactic. Thus, people stay alive, unless of course you have a bad healer, or you have bad DPS who aren't properly geared for the fight and can't DPS properly. Even then, the Echo buff being implemented allows for this tactic to be executed successfully every time, so people will continue to use it. Fortunately, as others have graciously mentioned, you'd be better off using a PF group to do the ROT mechanic. Personally, I think that it is helpful to know both mechanics, just my opinion and good luck on finding a PF group

[yahhzoo]

For some reason people can't handle passing rot. I like the enrage way better get to AOE heal my ass off.

[Sessurea]

lol all this "some people can't handle passing rot". They just never learned it that way. + SE have already spoken on this, stating it as legitimate strategy and not "abuse". Kudos to who figured it out, it is indeed DF/pug friendly.

It's pretty clear SE left a silly hole in this boss, and instead of changing it so enrage method isn't possible ( thus admitting their mistake? ) they choose to just let it go, and you should too. SE probably won't ever fix it because it is old and used content.

And come on, people still have to clear t5 to enter 2nd coil...dw about rot lol.

[Orophin]

lol all this "some people can't handle passing rot". They just never learned it that way.

Some people literally don't have the attention span to keep up with a debuff, which is why many people still haven't beaten Twintania because they can't buckle down and focus for 10 minutes straight.

[RaphaelDDL]

SE said before, some battles are scripted, it's just a matter of knowing which is next, like titan fight. It's always the same.
So the same applies to ads, lot easier for df noobs to make it through.

[subteraneanbird]

It is not abuse to take advantage of something using solely what the game gives you naturally. ie, it is not abuse to heal through an enrage (T2), use mechanics in a unique way (having your MT dive into conflags in T5 wasn't intended, but they're fine with that too), or find an alternate method of handling moves (using LOS on T6's Devour instead of hiding in briars, or quadruple stacking Renauds in T7 to make Cursed Voice/Shriek trivial). Full stop. People who claim these are abusive methods are coming from a place of absurdity, and seemingly have nothing to back their arguments beyond some claim to purism that S-E itself actively rejects.

Only abusive actions should be called as such. Height bugging is abusive. Breaking boss AI is abusive. Not doing Rot Passing isn't abusive. Please do not muddy this discussion.

Anyways, as others have mentioned T2 enrage is a method that is relatively foolproof, at the cost of some time (how much is usually gravely exaggerated by people who prefer Rot Passing; the actual different isn't that big). It is one that requires little coordination, making it good for groups who don't know each other beforehand. If you'd like to Rot Pass, join an FC and see if you can convince them to do it with you or something. Nothing is stopping you from finding other people who agree with your sentiment.

[skaterger]

Because its more fun to mash buttons like a bot than actually having to think and cultivate raid awareness.