Beyond a point, DF is pretty much useless, and that needs to be fixed

[atxferret]

That community wants to practice in DF and make serious attempts in PF. PF is the tool for wins. Use the correct tool.

Fallacy - silent majority. You have no idea what the community wants. The few people who have commented as such in reply to this thread do not constitute a scientific survey. Now, go into the DF and ask how many people want to clear the encounter, and how many want to "practice" the first few phases for 15 minutes before vote abandon.

[atxferret]

That's mostly a mindset brought over from WoW's LFG tool. Japanese servers tend to have the opposite, with PF being practice and DF being for kills on anything that's in DF.

It's still entirely a community-driven thing. PF isn't the 'correct' tool for kills, it's just the most commonly used one on NA servers.

Exactly, and I maintain that PF is the primary tool for completing the harder encounters because DF is broken. And all the people in here trying to convince me otherwise have actually made my point for me. It's so broken that they don't even consider it a viable tool with which to get anything accomplished, and they are so confused by the idea that it could become useful that they can only defend their own personal mannerisms, even though those were never called in to question.

[atxferret]

I'm still trying to figure out what, exactly, one is supposed to be practicing in the DF by repeatedly wiping in the first phase or two, since no one can get any experience beyond that because there are always new people in the mix. Practice at paying repair bills? Practice at clicking the queue button? You're certainly not practicing the encounter if you're leaving after 15 minutes.

[Bombast]

Exactly, and I maintain that PF is the primary tool for completing the harder encounters because DF is broken. And all the people in here trying to convince me otherwise have actually made my point for me. It's so broken that they don't even consider it a viable tool with which to get anything accomplished, and they are so confused by the idea that it could become useful that they can only defend their own personal mannerisms, even though those were never called in to question.

What part of DFs functionality led you to believe it was there to help you win?

DF has one purpose - to get people into duties. That's it. It's just there to get you in. It's not some magic hand holding device.

[atxferret]

What part of DFs functionality led you to believe it was there to help you win?

DF has one purpose - to get people into duties. That's it. It's just there to get you in. It's not some magic hand holding device.

Do you really not realize how absurd that statement is? LOL

Of course it's not "some magic hand holding device". But what is the point of getting in if you're not going to at least be able to learn the encounter? So, in your opinion, it really is practice at hitting the queue button? Because, according to you, DF holds no other purpose altogether.

[Demus]

Fallacy - silent majority. You have no idea what the community wants.

Your first post largely complains about player behavior in DF. That's the community, not DF itself. How many DF parties can clear Titan Ex versus PF parties? If the community wanted to clear Titan Ex or T5 in DF, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be quitting early or going in unprepared. The burden of proof is on you to prove that most DF parties for difficult encounters are expecting wins, because it's certainly not happening.

Exactly, and I maintain that PF is the primary tool for completing the harder encounters because DF is broken.

Once again DF is fine. The purpose of DF is to team you up with 7 other players in the shortest amount of time. That's what the tool is for, and that's what it does. And it works. You want to team up with players with specific criteria or intentions? PF.

I'm still trying to figure out what, exactly, one is supposed to be practicing in the DF by repeatedly wiping in the first phase or two, since no one can get any experience beyond that because there are always new people in the mix.

You just said in an earlier post that some experience is better than nothing. Your own words. That's what they're getting out of DF. Players can say that at the very least they know the timing for Weight of the Land or have an idea of how much DPS a conflag requires.

[SkyHighDN]

Are you the kind of person that needs to repost and twist everyone else's words so you win an "argument"?

Point blank. Duty Finder is there to help people get a party together instead of spam shouting, and stalking the player search for specific roles..... THAT IS ALL IT IS INTENDED FOR!!!!! NOT BROKEN AT ALL.

Get over yourself.

Go make some friends, Join a FC, or play a different game. Seriously. There is no reason to debate how the Japanese community does things one way, and the North American community does things another way and that it is Square Enix's responisbility to fix everything. You sound like a whiny second grader.

If you want to get parties faster, LEVEL A HEALER OR TANK.
If you want more successful parties, USE PARTY FINDER.
If you want more responsibility for your actions in a party, PLAY WITH FRIENDS OR FC MATES
If you want a 1 try and done, followed by a forum rant about DF being broken...... CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

There is nothing to fix here. Nothing at all to fix here.......... Hell the only reason to even bother with duty finder is to do your daily roullettes.... seriously..... or low level leveling.......

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON TO EVEN BOTHER WITH DF FOR LVL 50 CONTENT, unless the following situations exist:
1.) queuing in process to help a FC mate who got screwed
2.) Relic questing..... LOL, so easy
3.) Roullettes!
4.) Practice runs
5.) Brayflox HM (even if not a speed run, its a face palm)
6.) Coil 1,2 &4 farming (maybe, still better to PF those groups)

Seriously. Duty Finder HAS its uses. AND SINCE IT HAS USES IT IS NOT BROKEN. Are you happy now? my responses DO NOT prove your point, they reinforce MY POINT. YOU ARE WRONG. Flat out WRONG. Stop whining!

And by the way, edit your reply to break the 1000 character limit, stop reposting 9 times

[ispano]

Do you really not realize how absurd that statement is? LOL

Of course it's not "some magic hand holding device". But what is the point of getting in if you're not going to at least be able to learn the encounter? So, in your opinion, it really is practice at hitting the queue button? Because, according to you, DF holds no other purpose altogether.

As others have said, DF is not the problem. Players are and always will be the problem. NOTHING you do to DF will change it. Can't fix what's not broken. And if you think not having kick or abandon would help... it won't. The same thing happened before we had either of them.

[Citizen_Thom]

Duty Finder for the end game content probably could use a few tweaks. It does do the bare minimum of assembling people. It doesn't serve the purpose of shortening wait times for the COMPLETION of content. When Duty Finder was created, that was part of it's stated purpose, to cut down the wait times for PROGRESSION.

The OP has a point, though several of you want to play devil's advocate for Duty Finder. I have a lvl 50 tank (i90) and a lvl 50 healer (i68), it's not simply being a dps that makes Duty Finder not so helpful in COMPLETING content.

[ispano]

Duty Finder for the end game content probably could use a few tweaks. It does do the bare minimum of assembling people. It doesn't serve the purpose of shortening wait times for the COMPLETION of content. When Duty Finder was created, that was part of it's stated purpose, to cut down the wait times for PROGRESSION.

The OP has a point, though several of you want to play devil's advocate for Duty Finder. I have a lvl 50 tank (i90) and a lvl 50 healer (i68), it's not simply being a dps that makes Duty Finder not so helpful in COMPLETING content.

Except it can't. The one important thing to do what you're talking about is for it to judge player ability, and it cannot do that. You could have it require to end gear for CT, and people would still likely screw up.