Thread: 1.18 Patch Notes

Originally Posted by DAOWAce

Um.



I thought that was bad enough, but then I had to see..



What, the, fuck?

They can't be this stupid, honestly. I have to get in the game to see what's going on. If they are that stupid, then they've just forced me to quit.


PS: @Translator: It's 'affects', not 'effects'.

If you were even close to running out of MP as Conjurer before this patch, you were playing horribly wrong, probably spamming cures non-stop even while everyone was at full health. SE wouldn't have made this change if it made healing impossible. All it is doing is weeding out the terrible healers.

Originally Posted by Raim

If you were even close to running out of MP as Conjurer before this patch, you were playing horribly wrong, probably spamming cures non-stop even while everyone was at full health. SE wouldn't have made this change if it made healing impossible. All it is doing is weeding out the terrible healers.

No.. I'm talking about playing solo. I use Sacrifice and Cure 2 (at my level) to keep myself alive while playing all of my combat classes. 75 MP when I only have 250 is ridiculous, beyond ridiculous. 3 heals and out of mana. There is no battle that has lasted for as few as 3 heals unless the enemy is my level or below.

Originally Posted by DAOWAce

No.. I'm talking about playing solo. I use Sacrifice and Cure 2 (at my level) to keep myself alive while playing all of my combat classes. 75 MP when I only have 250 is ridiculous, beyond ridiculous. 3 heals and out of mana. There is no battle that has lasted for as few as 3 heals unless the enemy is my level or below.

I think thats a clue. I'll let it sink in for a second. You shouldn't be soling in this game. Its a last resort when nobody else is on, and you can't muster the courage to ask for a party using the new search feature. Now go find yourself a nice Conjurer.

Originally Posted by Raim

I think thats a clue. I'll let it sink in for a second. You shouldn't be soling in this game. Its a last resort when nobody else is on, and you can't muster the courage to ask for a party using the new search feature. Now go find yourself a nice Conjurer.

I thought the difference between FFXI and FFXIV was that FFXIV was supposed to cater MORE to the solo casual player. If that's being changed, then it's being changed, but comments like this are contradictory to what the original intent of the game was?

Originally Posted by Chocobits

I thought the difference between FFXI and FFXIV was that FFXIV was supposed to cater MORE to the solo casual player. If that's being changed, then it's being changed, but comments like this are contradictory to what the original intent of the game was?

Well I imagine that you can still solo your way up through leves just fine, but I do NOT believe it was intended for all classes to be able to spam Cure and have zero downtime.

Upon more than 10 seconds of thinking about the coming changes, if anything, these changes mean that players won't succeed with a melee free for all frenzy like they have been. Battles will require more finesse and resource management, so my negative nancy comments about needing 3 healers probably won't hold true. It'll just mean that the frontline idiots will need to go easy so the backline idiots can keep up. So, I suppose this is a good thing.

Originally Posted by DAOWAce

No.. I'm talking about playing solo. I use Sacrifice and Cure 2 (at my level) to keep myself alive while playing all of my combat classes. 75 MP when I only have 250 is ridiculous, beyond ridiculous. 3 heals and out of mana. There is no battle that has lasted for as few as 3 heals unless the enemy is my level or below.

Ever thought that a warrior class shouldn't be good at healing?
Or that playing solo in an MMORPG shouldn't be very efficient?
Or that a healing spell for a warrior class is a exception, a bonus and not a necessity.

Boy, this game made ppl really soft with it's easiness...

Also people complained about a lack of class-uniqueness, but there you have a counter measurement.
Warrior-classes getting less allround-like and get weaknesses where they should get them.
And they get benefits where they should by lowering the recast time of Bloodbath and Second Wind.

As an addition to that.
Solo players have leves, where they get their MP refreshed after every leve.
Grinding was never meant to be done solo, but at least duo.
And now their is a better reason to team up, if you want to grind.

Originally Posted by Jabo

Ever thought that a warrior class shouldn't be good at healing?
Or that playing solo in an MMORPG shouldn't be very efficient?
Or that a healing spell for a warrior class is a exception, a bonus and not a necessity.

Boy, this game made ppl really soft with it's easiness...

Also people complained about a lack of class-uniqueness, but there you have a counter measurement.
Warrior-classes getting less allround-like and get weaknesses where they should get them.
And they get benefits where they should by lowering the recast time of Bloodbath and Second Wind.

As an addition to that.
Solo players have leves, where they get their MP refreshed after every leve.
Grinding was never meant to be done solo, but at least duo.
And now their is a better reason to team up, if you want to grind.

Well said Jabo.

DAOWAce, while it may make solo'ing on a Disciples of War a bit harder (with the MP Cost Raise for Cure / Sacrifice), the way the game was before was a joke. You can easily run Guildleve Parties or Solo / Duo enemies with No Mages, by just having some of the Disciples of War party members equip a Cure or Sacrifice and get by just fine.

What's the need for a Mage at that point? This adds some class differentiation, just like before this patch today, other classes could map Emulate or Bloodletter and really get some success on the biggest NMs. These changes are making each Class stand out from each other more, and make their skills / spells / abilities more valuable.

Of course, the argument of "well this game is for casuals also!" applies here, too. But there has to be a fine line between the two. Right now, there's *no* need for a Conjurer or Thaumaturge in many parties; you can just equip a couple of their spells on your Marauder / Archer and be done with it; it marginalized many classes, or made most classes feel homogenized in many ways (every class could equip / use almost all the skills from other classes).