Turn 6 exploit?

[Darra]

I've used the search function to see if the forum already has this discussion and the results turned up a blank, so sorry if this has been asked before.

I've been working on T6 with a couple of raid groups. During phase 1, raid group 1 has the person marked with the yellow mark run into the thorn patch and raid group 2 has the person with the yellow mark wait till the mark disappears and then run to the main tank where everyone else is. Raid group 1 says that raid group 2 is cheating and using an LoS exploit. Is this one of those "unintended" strategies like T2 enrage and mob lock outs in WP, where the developers don't care, or is this something that's going to be fixed, or punished? Or is raid group 1 being a little quick with their "cheaters" remark?

[Duuude007]

LoS is a key function in many fights, such as Garuda and anything that casts void magic.

It is designed to be interrupted by running behind the target, or behind a barrier.

Practically everything YOU cast on someone/something else is LoS too, you know.

[Ooshima]

Or is raid group 1 being a little quick with their "cheaters" remark?

Yes. The devs probably did not foresee that players were quick minded and game up with the LoS method which the whole LoS thing is an integral part of the game.

As devs are human, they can't possibly foresee all forms of alternative scenarios and strategies. As long as it is not game breaking, it would be just regarded as another strategy. You got to somehow give credits to these people who found out these alternative methods, such as T2 enrage, T5 conflags, and how to solo tank instances etc. Even thou such various techniques could trivialize certain things or a whole lot of things, I don't think it have reached a point of game breaking. T6 LoS you still need the raid knowing what to do and how to move, and in another part, the guy with honey glaves knows how to feed himself. If you have an idiot there, it can still cause a wipe.

What would be considered as an exploit would be examples such as platform elevation exploits. In certain instances, certain part of the boss room/area/instances have a different elevation where the boss could not hit you at all if you just stood there, or it simply triggers a bug that makes the boss immobile or simply stop attacking, while you are able to continue attacking the boss. Such acts are considered an exploit, because it completely negates the whole instance and gives you a free win.

[sheepysheepy]

using your brain isn't cheating

[SecsyMancat]

I made the big thread about T2 and got a very clear response that they were not going to change that encounter, this one has much less of an impact on the fight than T2 rage strat ever did. Every mechanic in this fight still triggers and it requires a 2 tank, 2 heal 4 dps setup so although this was probably not the intended strategy for the fight, it will probably be the most commonly used one. I would bet a good sum of gil against SE changing this fight.

[AlrikRouge]

As an added note, you get LoS as a BLM unless you are facing the target as well. Not sure if this is the case for all classes that have attack spells, but you also get LoS as WHM with attack spells if you aren't facing the target, though with healing spells you can heal the target no matter where they are unless a "solid" object is between you or they are too far away. It's just the mechanic of the actual spell or mob.

I know before 2.2, you could hard target a casting mob and literally run circles around around them at the right distance and they would never cast a spell that would hit you. They changed that and other spells so that they would hit regardless, but kept certain ones LoS (like the III spells on the boss in AK and as mentioned above, Garuda's stun attack).

[BuckyCap]

Anyone who calls starts different than intended "cheating" have no idea how the development team thinks. Yoshi has stated multiple times that he loves it when he sees players think outside the box and always looks forward to what we can come up with.

The LoS method has become the preferred because it's just a better strat period. While it requires a bit more skill from the individual player, it removes the semi RNG of disappearing brambles and let's the heals focus in the party as a whole and tanks individually instead of the spikes from various players.

[ispano]

Anyone who calls starts different than intended "cheating" have no idea how the development team thinks. Yoshi has stated multiple times that he loves it when he sees players think outside the box and always looks forward to what we can come up with.

The LoS method has become the preferred because it's just a better strat period. While it requires a bit more skill from the individual player, it removes the semi RNG of disappearing brambles and let's the heals focus in the party as a whole and tanks individually instead of the spikes from various players.

There is no RNG of vanishing brambles. There's always a set that spawns before devour happens, and it's always there for the time you need it to be.

[subteraneanbird]

There is no RNG of vanishing brambles. There's always a set that spawns before devour happens, and it's always there for the time you need it to be.

Except there is an RNG factor of time, because Brambles are exclusively time based, while Devour is HP based for the first, and can be pushed.

[ispano]

Except there is an RNG factor of time, because Brambles are exclusively time based, while Devour is HP based for the first, and can be pushed.

No matter how fast or slow we've gone, we've ALWAYS had a set of brambles spawn right before chain/devour.