Gladiator/Paladin Buff !

[Cherie]

I wouldn't be opposed to some pld buffs but, I don't really consider them behind.

I've tanked most everything there is to tank as pld with some exceptions (namely the new coil, but i did tank turn 7 when a tank couldn't make it once), but I have rarely really had any issues with threat.

I agree paladins could use some AoE threat lovin'. I find flash and riot blade combo sufficient even in groups much more geared than my tank usually. With exception being when I'm co-tanking with a warrior, then I can see that their AoE threat is much stronger as the mobs favor sticking to them, despite my best efforts (while i can get many in a large mob, the warrior tends to get the most).

True enough though, spamming flash is kind of boring but... Warriors just spam overpower mostly, while they have some rather nice limited use AoE abilities. Maybe something like that for paladin would be nice, like something with kind of a longer cooldown that got some nice snap AoE threat. Like a Circle of Scorn buff would kind of be nice. Like nerf it's TP free-ness and off GCD-ness but make it a stronger hitting ability or give it a +enmity modifier perhaps?

[Dano]

i'd prefer skills that focus on utility and defense, ie: expand more on the shield usage, cover ability, party buffs..etc. I think it's ok to leave the AoE damage/threat dealing to warriors since that's what they are good at, while pld focus on single target tanking and in the future expand into group buffs/protection. would love to have the ability to cover everyone behind me for aoe damage.

[Rubieus]

Please bring back Wardrums.

Aoe Provoke, uses TP.

[Zumi]

I have no problem keeping hate on large groups with flash. What a lot of people don't seem to know is that one of the factors that effect amount of enmity generated by flash is linked to your weapon. If you are having problems holding hate might look into a weapon upgrade.

[Nayto]

Please bring back Wardrums.

Aoe Provoke, uses TP.

And Collision.
Man I miss collision.

And tbh... some people still prefer dual paladins. Because 'lolwartoosquishy,nohallowedground' despite having inner beast for every spike damage... the hallowed ground thing is a fricking crutch for high healing stress moments.

[Reynhart]

As it's off-GCD, it's all but pointless. That's 250 free hate potency to multiply by shield oath bonus.

Well, not really. It's a 30 potency each tick, so for every tick of 30, a DPS can uses one of his WS for much more potency...
But I think PLD can hold hate well, nevertheless

[Pooky_Pasha]

Nope, sorry, it is laughable. The skill itself holds no additional enmity generation, even with Shield Oath up, it generates about as much as one or two regular attacks from a Dragoon. If you have a Black Mage with you, it's entirely pointless.

FoF > CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 1040 free enmity potency over it's duration (40s) to all enemies in the area under Shield Oath. Even for single target, that amount of free enmity potency is hardly laughable simply because it's free.
CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 800 free enmity potency over it's duration (40s) to all enemies in the area under Shield Oath. Again, that amount of free enmity potency is hardly laughable, even for single target, simply because it's free.
FoF > CoS > wait 25 > CoS > wait 25 > CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 1840 free enmity potency over its duration (90s) under Shield Oath. Wait 10s for CoS to come off cooldown, repeat that sequence. That doesn't include the free enmity from Spirits Within.

tl:dr-Free enmity is never laughable.

Well, not really. It's a 30 potency each tick, so for every tick of 30, a DPS can uses one of his WS for much more potency...
But I think PLD can hold hate well, nevertheless

You're forgetting about whatever additional attacks the PLD does within that tick, in addition to that DoT tick. Essentially, the total amount of enmity generated over 25 seconds (CoS cooldown, or about 10 gcds) is what should be calculated. Whatever the PLD does in those 25s should outweigh whatever a DPS does for single target or AoE.

[Immut]

Circle slash would be redundant, circle of scorn does the same thing and is already completely pointless. The major thing paladin does NOT need is more damage moves. What they need is a use for MP other than spamming stoneskin and flash. And an accuracy buff? Nobody would EVER use that. If you aren't at the accuracy cap, you should not be in the fight, period.

[Sylkis]

Holy Succor

[Vladislav]

I belive that Red Lotus Blade and Phalanx will going to RDM in future