[Urgent Implementation] Withdrawal Penalties

[Gesser]

Oh god... I didn't even think of Frontlines.

[Buff_Archer]

Re: not being able to change class in time for commencing as DPS: WHY did SE have to add in the additional restriction that you can't teleport when you have aggo? Bad enough they took away the ability to use return. If you're queue'd as DPS for 30 min plus and say you're in a fate on a different class leveling it because you'd like to do something valuable with your time besides just running fates on your current class for atma drops- you might be able to run away without picking up new aggro and change class in time... but what about those fates with multiple targets where when it's over any that aren't completely dead are running off as invulnerable with a sliver of health?

Can't change classes to commence, can't kill enemies to change classes to commence, can't teleport to change classes to commence- what exact need did putting that teleport limitation solve? Teleporting in general to avoid getting killed out in the field is not something people really do because then they're back at an aetheryte regardless having to travel back to where they might or might not have died. So all this did is added one more complication to being able to commence.

In addition to the people who constantly spam withdraw in DF- the Scum of Eorzia basically, along with DR instabailers- we now have more reasons for ppl to not commence. Because they can't, or because people who are "OMG it's now nighttime at this sightseeing spot and I can't leave because it might rain and I'd miss this on my log so I'd better Withdraw."

[einwol]

Maybe the solution is using Linkshells to unite folk who aren't the type to behave like this in the first place. I agree the DF and PF spread is enough to make someone quit (I kinda did, but then went to another server of a cool FC, shout out to Hal and Shyah of Bahamut!).

[StouterTaru]

There doesn't need to have a freebie, and it doesn't have to be a harsh lockout period. If you've waited 20 minutes and miss the queue, are you going to be that upset with waiting 60 seconds to get back at the end of that 20 minute wait?

They do need to make sure it doesn't affect those that drop from DF before the duty is ready. I'll often queue up low level roulette and other weak stuff as one type, and if the wait is 5 minutes plus, change to a different type and queue up as that.

[Hyouretsuzan]

Just as long as we get one freebie. There is nothing worse then sitting on the toilet and hearing that god damned queue sound.

The struggle is real.

[Vallug]

Penalizing consecutive withdraws seems like it would work without collateral damage. That's basically the entire problem anyway, as people might have a legitimate reason to withdraw once and rejoin in a few minutes, but not to do it 20 times in 60 seconds as we've seen.

I agree with this.

[Gesser]

I agree with this.

I agree with this agreeance.

[Radkat]

We don't know if it's really the same people signing up and withdrawing consecutively though. The whole DF system is weird. It seems to pick and choose batches of people randomly. Sometimes you can see you only need a tank left for an 8-man df, a few seconds later half of them are gone.

[Umbeliel]

"There are people using the DF for things that are not the thing I want them to be doing! Woe is me!"

It's the thread. The whole thread.

Rather than trying to penalize other people for popping your queue and backing out because they don't want you, the correct course of action would be to simply make it easier for them to actually do what they're trying to do. If they want to pvp a specific set of friends, they should be allowed to. If they ONLY want to queue for in progress runs, they should be able to. The idea that you all seem to have that involves some vile tank simply queueing and unqueueing and getting off on your endless suffering and therefore needs to be punished is a little ridiculous.

[Parz3val]

Frontlines just shot this issue through the roof.

This was asked for long before Frontlines, it's been an issue since launch...

Can we please have a word on it?