Bards and BLMs ... is hard to control your aggro?

[Foo01]

I got a iLevel 72 PLD using a Mog sword, iLevel75. It seems if I ever take my eyes off one mob to establish aggro on another, the bard or blm inevitably take it way, assuming they didn't take it away to start grabbing stuff before I even get started.

I am using shield oath, flash, and doing the ROH rotation. I provoke, shield lob, and then the ROH rotation to get that one back, and I lose another, and now provoke is on cool down. What gives?

BTW, this seems to happen the most with bards and BLMS. I don't seem run into this as much with the healers, SMN or melee DPS.

[Kyriea]

The answer is kinda yea it is, if the tank has a much lower ilvl than the dps that are doing spike dps then it will be harder to do what is considered "good" dps while maintaining control. The reason why SMN and MNK can control it better is simply their DPS is drawn out over a longer period of time whereas BLM DRG and BRD all specialise in instant damage. Healers are a different matter simply because their enmity only ever gets to dangerous levels when they over heal and that's easily avoidable.

[Cid_Grim]

They are probably ilvl 90 or above, which would be quite difficult for an ilvl 72 pld.

[RyuDragnier]

They are probably ilvl 90 or above, which would be quite difficult for an ilvl 72 pld.

They could also be using Raging Strikes without pairing it with Quelling Strikes, that can lead to a spike in aggro gain. I always figured they would notice that pairing the two up and using Quelling Strikes after Raging Strikes cancels the aggro boost while keeping the damage output.

[Lemon8or]

While the buff to shield oath helps immensely with the aggro situation, if the DPS in question outgear you, you will have a hard time regardless. Also, your weapon is ilevel 75 which has less weapon damage and strength. They both affect how much damage you deal and how much aggro you gain. All DPS but monks have an aggro dump/slow skill that unskilled people tend to ignore. Also, ask your DPS to focus on one target instead of going balls to the wall on different ones.

[VallisRaine]

Chances are they Attack Before you have time to start building hate. I have Bard and Paladin both at 50 and i can tell you that most times in DF groups the Bard will be quick on the draw and half the time the Blm will be casting large nuke before you even Shield Lob. Both of which will make grabbing hate hard and ends up costing you way more MP then needed.

(Use Shield Oath) Shield Lob >> Flash x2 >> Hate rotation >> Flash when needed(mostly every 2-3 rotations) And only use Provoke for When one strays off.

If your doing all this and your gears fine then its the Dps Getting to happy! What you do is warn them once very nicely because chances are they are trying to solo a mob. And if it continues to happen well I've let them Tank some like they wanted before grabbing the mob after that they sudenly learn they have -enmity skills Quelling strikes mentioned above can be used by both brd and blm so theres not much excuse.

[Ronove]

BRD should be using quelling strikes and the BLM should do if they have or, or else they should dial back or be ready to get hit. Though it's probably bad tanking (I'm i80 and have no intention of gearing up more until later), when I do harder dungeons on my tank (like brayflox hm or halatali hm) where BLMs are gonna be flaring, when I run out of MP for flash I just Rage of Halone everything on the enmity list. If I try to do the full rotation or even half a rotation on an enemy, another will scamper off before I can get to it. It's definitely frustrating (this is also partly why I gave up tanking with anyone other than my FC or friends).

[Foo01]

.... when I do harder dungeons on my tank (like brayflox hm or halatali hm) where BLMs are gonna be flaring, when I run out of MP for flash I just Rage of Halone everything on the enmity list. If I try to do the full rotation or even half a rotation on an enemy, another will scamper off before I can get to it. ....

It is so true on Brayflox HM. They all want bigger pulls and then they want to AOE nuke everything. After that I am chasing every mob going every which way. And to top it off, sometimes, some of them will give you some choice words. Sometimes, I just feel like giving up, and let them have the mobs, and just keep stuff off the healer.

[Hulan]

It's also a matter of content and context. I suppose I should preface this with the fact that I only have MNK, PLD, SMN, and SCH at 50, but I am leveling BLM at the moment. I can only speak for myself, but I find myself moderating myself more or less depending on what the situation is. If the tank is having a hard time keeping hate in a normal dungeon I worry less about self-maintenance. From my experience on healer and tank, I know I can kill a single monster before it becomes a danger. If, on the other hand, we are fighting a big group, or a Primal/Boss, I will be much more careful to maintain an appropriate hate level. Though to be honest, even at level 40, this is already somewhat difficult.

As a fellow PLD, one thing you may want to consider though is Flashing more. It's kind of boring, and I at least never feel like I'm really helping out much when doing it, but it will give you a nice solid enmity buffer against incidental damage. At least enough to get control of the monster that got away.

[Black91CRX]

People not using their quelling strikes properly. That, and I'm convinced that there are players out there oblivious to the hate meters under their name.