Bards and BLMs ... is hard to control your aggro?

[Gilraen]

Um, using Quelling Strikes to mitigate your threat generation is BRD and BLM 101. It basically allows you do to more damage without making life difficult for the tank and healer. Not using it is a sign of being bad. There's basically no reason that you shouldn't be using it as often as you can, weaved in between a GCD when it's available and appropriate.



As above, you're not reaching full your damage potential by doing that. Learn to love it, learn to use it appropriately. Realise that it allows you do more DPS, and therefore helps everyone.

You do realize that partying is a team effort, right? It's not always about putting out the big numbers, sometimes not putting out the big numbers can be every bit as helpful. You have to gauge the situation to see if going all out is a good idea or not. And if it's not, then it's just as vital that you don't. People have this idea in this game that DDs are balls-to-the-wall idiots that ignore the party situation and your comments don't really dissuade this viewpoint. I mean, this very thread is based on that view...

[Kaskel2000]

Seems like they are over heard compared to yourself. I've had this trouble when I've been doing a few coil runs then decided to do a basic 50 dungeon to relax. I forget it might not have a high ilevel tank and dps like I'm in coil. As soon as I start grabbing aggro I remember and dial it back a bit.

[Cherie]

Quelling strikes isn't really a free pass to go all out. You are right about BLM and BRDs in particular as they are the classes without "ramp up", while melee can do overall more dps, BLM+BRD can frontend a bit more. I think many don't really understand how quelling strikes works and how far just looking that the enemy list and attacking the damaged ones first can go. Of course, popping quelling strikes and going all out on a mob the tank isn't focusing on is still going to get that dps aggro. It's not really the tank as it is the dps's lack of paying attention to what is being damaged (that is what the enemy list is for).

As far as tanking groups of mobs, don't forget about using a riot blade combo to regain MP so you can keep up flashing. Sadly as you said, as far as AoE tanking, paladins are "flash beacons" Doing a rage of halone combo on a single mob just means you will lose threat on the others. You could always mark attack targets, but I think we both realize that doesn't often work in pugs where people just do what they want and don't pay attention.

[Ddmk]

Was I93 now i94 even with quelling popped and no raging strikes I still pull a lot of agro even at 10 gear levels diffrence
Blm needs a ability like shroud rather than quelling or both would be ideal

[Darkdrover]

My plan is simple: once my WAR is 50, I will use BRD or SMN to farm Soldiery tomes, this way before I even set foot in a lvl 50 dungeon, I will have all my weathered gear/accessories for tank. So far I have not had any problems holding hate, I keep as much of my gear HQ as possible, and always a up to date weapon. I am only 39 though, so I think I have yet to hit the paces where holding hate is going to be an issue. ilvl72 is good, but if you have another job that can farm tomes, then there should be no reason you cant be 90 or better....and yes, I get it if you want to do lvl 50 dungeons in DL or to get DL, that's fine. just know that most of the time, the DPS are going to be geared to the teeth, and that's not something I care to face...

[Nayto]

My plan is simple: once my WAR is 50, I will use BRD or SMN to farm Soldiery tomes, this way before I even set foot in a lvl 50 dungeon, I will have all my weathered gear/accessories for tank. So far I have not had any problems holding hate, I keep as much of my gear HQ as possible, and always a up to date weapon. I am only 39 though, so I think I have yet to hit the paces where holding hate is going to be an issue. ilvl72 is good, but if you have another job that can farm tomes, then there should be no reason you cant be 90 or better....and yes, I get it if you want to do lvl 50 dungeons in DL or to get DL, that's fine. just know that most of the time, the DPS are going to be geared to the teeth, and that's not something I care to face...

Could always just do CT and be a lolbuttonpusher tank.

[Darkdrover]

Well, with 6 tanks, someone has to push buttons. Whats your point? lol

[Viridiana]

So, it all boils down (to me) to how my gear compares to the tank's. If we're about equal, I'd have to work to steal it. If he outgears me, I'd have to work rather hard to steal it, if at all. If I outgear him by enough, though, then I have to sit on abilities (especially early in an encounter) or pop Quelling. Of course, if we're talking about trash, Quelling won't be up on every group, so I'm going to have to watch it either way.

[blowfin]

I know how to use it, actually. I just prefer not to. I've never had complaints and it really makes little to no difference. I rarely have to autoattack because I don't really ever take aggro. You seem to be under the assumption that I use it all the time.

You understand that autoattacking isn't good for your DPS though, right? And that pre-emptively using Quelling Strikes will help you avoid having to do that, regardless of how rare the situation is?

[Diavolo]

You understand that autoattacking isn't good for your DPS though, right? And that pre-emptively using Quelling Strikes will help you avoid having to do that, regardless of how rare the situation is?

I'm aware of how it works. I'm not one of those anal asshats that sits there and measures my DPS to gauge how good/bad I'm doing, though. It's a game, If I have fun by popping off a few autoattacks on the rare occasion, that's my prerogative. I pay my sub just like you pay yours. It's not harming anyone.