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    KalaElizabeth's Avatar
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    Arese Ji
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    Bots, seriously? Please tell me this isn't an actual thing.
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    Iam Groot
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    Warrior Lv 60
    If the tank dies, its the healers fault.
    If the healer dies, its the tanks fault.
    If the dps die, it is their own damn fault.
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    Nayto's Avatar
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    Blake Ater
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    Marauder Lv 65
    Quote Originally Posted by MythToken View Post
    If the tank dies, its the healers fault.
    If the healer dies, its the tanks fault.
    If the dps die, it is their own damn fault.
    Wait lemme fix that.
    If the tank dies, he didn't mitigate properly.
    If the DPS dies, they didn't dodge.
    If the healers dies, see above and make sure tank mitigated/kept hate and DPS are dodging/passing DPS checks. If not, submit a ticket to healing internal affairs and we'll validate your actions in a month's time.
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    Synestr's Avatar
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    Synestr Ashbringer
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayto View Post
    Wait lemme fix that.
    If the tank dies, he didn't mitigate properly.
    If the DPS dies, they didn't dodge.
    If the healers dies, see above and make sure tank mitigated/kept hate and DPS are dodging/passing DPS checks.
    Hmm let me further correct this so we are all clear on responsibility.

    If tank dies, he/she didn't dodge or mitigate right.
    If DPS dies, tank didn't hold hate well enough and needs to l2p
    If heals dies, then tank needs to learn to use provoke, cover and hold hate and l2p moar.

    It's always the tanks fault, even when the dipshit dps aggros the room or the lofty heals casts regen on you before you pull... they are infallible. We are just a dumb meat shield.

    Syn
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    Aeora's Avatar
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    Shae'ah Solaris
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    Exodus
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    Quote Originally Posted by MythToken View Post
    If the tank dies, its the healers fault.
    If the healer dies, its the tanks fault.
    If the dps die, it is their own damn fault.
    yeah, but no 'cause . . . . . VARIABLES!!!!!!

    Like for instance - silly dps attacking random targets and pulling off the hate > Healer has to heal more people or spam medica > healer gets hate > Tank panics > Healer dies > team die. . .

    Just 1 situation that I'm sure you've all seen.
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    Llyren Wolfpaw
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeora View Post
    yeah, but no 'cause . . . . . VARIABLES!!!!!!

    Like for instance - silly dps attacking random targets and pulling off the hate > Healer has to heal more people or spam medica > healer gets hate > Tank panics > Healer dies > team die. . .

    Just 1 situation that I'm sure you've all seen.
    Tanks fault, Tank panic'd. Healer should of let DPS die, but not their fault, they where healing. DPS is often dumb, but there is why there are both Tanks and vote kicks...
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    Shae'ah Solaris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llyren View Post
    Tanks fault, Tank panic'd. Healer should of let DPS die, but not their fault, they where healing. DPS is often dumb, but there is why there are both Tanks and vote kicks...
    But it's not though is it? cause that wouldn't have happened had the dps not attacked the wrong target - and "Healer should HAVE let the DPS die"?? No, why should the healer let anyone die, their role is to heal! Even through unforseen circumstances. The tank could have been perfectly playing his role up to this point.

    Your opinion is wrong.
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeora View Post
    and "Healer should HAVE let the DPS die"?? No, why should the healer let anyone die, their role is to heal!
    Totally did this the other day during Titan for my SCH relic. Sorry, but I'm not gonna heal the BRD who's pointing Titan at the raid.
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    Llyren Wolfpaw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeora View Post
    But it's not though is it? cause that wouldn't have happened had the dps not attacked the wrong target - and "Healer should HAVE let the DPS die"?? No, why should the healer let anyone die, their role is to heal! Even through unforseen circumstances. The tank could have been perfectly playing his role up to this point.

    Your opinion is wrong.
    The Tank that panics is not playing their role perfectly at that point.

    A DPS who panics is often quite recoverable with minimal character deaths. When a Tank or Healer panics, well ... hope you have a spare.

    Extra mobs from another area can be solved by letting the character that pulled them die. Those mobs will then run back to their spawn point if no other character has generated aggro on the mobs. This situation can also be solved by a Tank picking the mobs up.

    If you merely mean the wrong target in the Tanks last pull, that is something Tanks deal with in most dungeon groups, to the point that they often try and arrange there being no wrong target*.

    We can control how we play: silent, loud, elite, elitist, casual, grindy, afk**. Trying to control how another plays is not only frustrating, but leads to elitist scumbaggery.


    *Flash or Overpower spam anyone? You know you're hitting it more often they you really need to
    ** Myself I mainly play afkish
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    Kha'tan Moapaln
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 67
    Quote Originally Posted by MythToken View Post
    If the tank dies, its the healers fault.
    If the healer dies, its the tanks fault.
    If the dps die, it is their own damn fault.
    This is an extreme over simplification and does not apply to a lot of situations. I wish people would stop using it.

    To the OP I really feel like people blame others like that when they have no idea why a wipe was occurring. Blaming the tank or the healer is the easy out in those cases. It is sad but true. If they could identify the issue they would have offered real advice but since they couldn't they just blamed the tank basically by saying "do better". In that case they can be ignored lol.
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