In Game DPS Meter

[Tiggy]

I want to be able to see my own dps because I want to be able to assess my rotations and my gear when I am using them, preferably when I am on my own and not working on group content. I don't need or want anyone else to know that information, but it is useful to me in playing the game the way I want to play it. It doesn't effect anyone else. It just helps me become a better player.

Why shouldn't square provide a tool in game to do that?

The argument against I keep hearing seems to be "because horrible people will be horrible" or something. Or people feeling like it will somehow make their own poor dps magically more visible to others - when it won't actually make a blind bit of difference. Groups won't suddenly start asking dps what their secret number is, because people lie. Those who already kick for poor gear or poor performance will continue to kick using exactly the same criteria as they do now. Nothing will change, except people like me who want a tool for self-evaluation would have one. Stop inventing scare stories.

This right here. Everything Elvie said is why I want this kind of tool. We can design one that meets the goals without being in a position that ultimate allows an extreme amount of abuse. I wish people could be more open minded to at least discuss the posibility. To see if we could come up with something that would work instead of knee jerk reactions because "bad people do bad things."

*Editing this thread because I'm out of posts for the day.*
Let me say this once guys. I do not want a parser. Every. Single. Person. who comes to this thread to act like that is what I'm asking for is misguided and isn't reading what I'm asking for. I want to have a conversation to see if it would be at all possible to make some sort of feature that could be used without actually having a full parser. If you aren't here to discuss how that could happen and the pros and cons of a specific idea then you are going to be off topic for this conversation. There is an entire other thread that is having that debate. Go do it there.

[MythToken]

This right here. Everything Elvie said is why I want this kind of tool....

You want feedback, but how can you improve if you don't know what that feedback actually is? like a rating system would tell you nothing other than "try harder
A parser, tells you exactly what is going on, and from analyzing that what you should be doing vs what you are doing.

You want to "play the way you want to play" and you are allowed to do that, but it will not be optimal.

There is only 1 optimal way to play your class, and it has been discussed in length on these forums. Yes it is ever changing.

But the reality is your argument comes down to, you don't do a lot of dps because you are "playing the way you want to play" and you want some sort of system that will validate "your way of playing"

It doesn't exist. The best way you could become a better player, is to start listening to people who are better than you/copying them.

[Tiggy]

But the reality is your argument comes down to, you don't do a lot of dps because you are "playing the way you want to play" and you want some sort of system that will validate "your way of playing"

I'm sorry but I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything. My performance is more than adequate for my needs and isn't why I brought this up. I brought this idea up due to how many people I run into that are too terrified to even attempt end game. People who are too afraid they don't have what it takes. People who till this day are still telling me they haven't tried even Turn 1 for the first time. It is not about just knowing or discovering an optimal rotation. The idea would obviously be that people probably look it up, but need somewhere to practice without bringing down an entire group because they are afraid to do that. You keep trying to personify this as something I need when I intend the entire idea for others. This isn't about me, or you. It's about all those new players. Despite the fact I've repeated my goal throughout this thread, people like you, continue to try and make this something about me. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

I ask you. Is it really so impossible for me to actually care about other players and not just myself? Is it possible you're viewing me through a lense that sees me as nothing more than elitist or perhaps a poor player? You aren't trying to empathize with my argument in the slightest. You only want to point out how bad of a person I am and how bad of an idea this is.

Is it possible you're just pushing your perceptions of "elitists" onto me?

I just want to help people.

[MythToken]

I brought this idea up due to how many people I run into that are too terrified to even attempt end game. People who are too afraid they don't have what it takes. People who till this day are still telling me they haven't tried even Turn 1 for the first time.

This is an entirely different matter, and any sort of in game anything will not help these people.

Not a dps, rating, challenge system.

If you never try, you will never succeed.

DPS isnt even the #1 performance stat that matters in T1 or beyond. Survival is, and that is easily monitored by death.

P.S. someone who is "terrified" to do something in a game, has serious mental issues, that is pathetic

[Shizato]

...how can you improve...?

if the boss dies, the raid is playing fine - if the raid wipes, then try what other raids who have killed the boss have done - no need for a meter as long as there are raids killing bosses.