In Game DPS Meter

[KingOfAbyss]

All of this just because people wants to be number 1 in the entire World, for bragging.

I wouldnt mind the dummies: still, you can take screen shots and then people will still come out and ask your DPS.

Yes, it will create a separation with players. But.. it's already like this. So make your own PF, stating you want to be hyper-DPS SR 1 sec 1-shot 1 mistake you are booted.

We will do PF with: wanna have fun in the game? wiping a few time, finding how to work with different people, no ragequitters, but learners, taking 90min for a 90min dungeon.

This is not a game of high numbers: the only numbers that matters are the 4, 8, and future 24?

It's sad to see there is different levels of players (like in all games, normal I think) and that it's a form of derogative in which you will shun players who don't have x amount of DPS

But I used to go for the big numbers myself in other games. Playing magic glass cannons just for that! muhahahaha

This game just ain't the type, so I focus on the feeling of having a good bunch of peeps around me.

For those that wants it, best of luck.

[Moheeheeko]

All of this just because people wants to be number 1 in the entire World, for bragging.

Actually id like it for those people you pick up to fill out your raid group, like the Dragoon my FC picked up to fill out our t6 run who turned out to be doing about 80 dps in i94 gear. No real way to see that without it.

[Lemon8or]

80 dps in i94 gear.

I.... did not know that was possible. On topic, I do want a DPS meter that only the player can see like on a dummy that we can put at our house. The reason is if a person can work up their maximum output, when they get into the same situation and perform at the same efficiency, the output will be higher than before. 85% efficiency on a 360 DPS will be higher than 85% efficiency on a 320 DPS so there are merits to let people work out their rotations and actually see numbers.

[KingOfAbyss]

Actually id like it for those people you pick up to fill out your raid group, like the Dragoon my FC picked up to fill out our t6 run who turned out to be doing about 80 dps in i94 gear. No real way to see that without it.

Heya Asrah ^^

Question: Did you cleared T6? If yes, then no problem.

If no, after about 2 tries, and everyone notes someone is not playing a job to it's full capacities, perhaps asking if everything is ok? Perhaps he's like my GF, in Japan playing on NA servers.. by the time she sees the fireball icon in T5 (sometimes she don't even see it) - it's too late..

What we did to circumvent: Every other players sticks around her to mitigate dmg, with the OT, because they see her Icon over her head. Works. A good communication can go a long way in MMOs..

[kukurumei]

Heya Asrah ^^

Question: Did you cleared T6? If yes, then no problem.

T6 is a pretty big uptime fight. If that drg is parsing 80dps, you don't need a parser to realize it. It's very simple to see someone not hitting the boss/adds and it's mechanics.

I would chalk that up to another strawman. You really don't need a parser in t6 to know who is pulling their weight. It's pretty obvious who is dead weight in T6. Then entire fight is pretty much a multi-task game.

While it probably does help to know a rough parse number. It really matters very little as the only push is at the end of after super slugs, and well a 1-2-3 drg is pretty obvious and a dead drg is more obvious.

[Moheeheeko]

I would chalk that up to another strawman.

Also, if you are doing T6 properly your entire raid is stacked on top of each other, its a little harder to see who is doing what than you make it seem.

[kukurumei]

Also, if you are doing T6 properly your entire raid is stacked on top of each other, its a little harder to see who is doing what than you make it seem.

Bulb, bees, and attacks for basics.

Heavy thrust debuff is easy to spot. heck bards will see it naturally
Phebo, Dsc, chaos debuff also easy to spot.

And even more basic. 80dps either means death (how can you not see it?)

And even even more obvious. Auto attack. With such a big uptime on the boss, anyone who's standing really far back is obviously not carrying their weight on top of getting kill by thorns. (auto attack is something like 30-40% of a drgs dps on that fight).

Heck with a parse of 80dps, I don't even need to parse. The bulb/bees would be a dead giveaway. Dragon Fire dive is an obvious sign of a burst incoming whenever a middle bulb popped.

I think a real problem here is not even the parsing people are...actually doing their jobs... Instead of looking at a parse and pointing fingers. How about looking at the video and seeing who did what/what not. That solves more problems then numbers on a paper.

Beating bees for the first time, didn't go "your parse sucks or not enough healing". It was watching the video of the run and going....ooooohhhh!

If anything video recording should be put into ff14, not a dps tool.

[Elvie]

All of this just because people wants to be number 1 in the entire World, for bragging.

I hate this mindset so much. You are wrong. Simply, wrong.

I want to be able to see my own dps because I want to be able to assess my rotations and my gear when I am using them, preferably when I am on my own and not working on group content. I don't need or want anyone else to know that information, but it is useful to me in playing the game the way I want to play it. It doesn't effect anyone else. It just helps me become a better player.

Why shouldn't square provide a tool in game to do that?

The argument against I keep hearing seems to be "because horrible people will be horrible" or something. Or people feeling like it will somehow make their own poor dps magically more visible to others - when it won't actually make a blind bit of difference. Groups won't suddenly start asking dps what their secret number is, because people lie. Those who already kick for poor gear or poor performance will continue to kick using exactly the same criteria as they do now. Nothing will change, except people like me who want a tool for self-evaluation would have one. Stop inventing scare stories.

[Tiggy]

I want to be able to see my own dps because I want to be able to assess my rotations and my gear when I am using them, preferably when I am on my own and not working on group content. I don't need or want anyone else to know that information, but it is useful to me in playing the game the way I want to play it. It doesn't effect anyone else. It just helps me become a better player.

Why shouldn't square provide a tool in game to do that?

The argument against I keep hearing seems to be "because horrible people will be horrible" or something. Or people feeling like it will somehow make their own poor dps magically more visible to others - when it won't actually make a blind bit of difference. Groups won't suddenly start asking dps what their secret number is, because people lie. Those who already kick for poor gear or poor performance will continue to kick using exactly the same criteria as they do now. Nothing will change, except people like me who want a tool for self-evaluation would have one. Stop inventing scare stories.

This right here. Everything Elvie said is why I want this kind of tool. We can design one that meets the goals without being in a position that ultimate allows an extreme amount of abuse. I wish people could be more open minded to at least discuss the posibility. To see if we could come up with something that would work instead of knee jerk reactions because "bad people do bad things."

*Editing this thread because I'm out of posts for the day.*
Let me say this once guys. I do not want a parser. Every. Single. Person. who comes to this thread to act like that is what I'm asking for is misguided and isn't reading what I'm asking for. I want to have a conversation to see if it would be at all possible to make some sort of feature that could be used without actually having a full parser. If you aren't here to discuss how that could happen and the pros and cons of a specific idea then you are going to be off topic for this conversation. There is an entire other thread that is having that debate. Go do it there.

[MythToken]

This right here. Everything Elvie said is why I want this kind of tool....

You want feedback, but how can you improve if you don't know what that feedback actually is? like a rating system would tell you nothing other than "try harder
A parser, tells you exactly what is going on, and from analyzing that what you should be doing vs what you are doing.

You want to "play the way you want to play" and you are allowed to do that, but it will not be optimal.

There is only 1 optimal way to play your class, and it has been discussed in length on these forums. Yes it is ever changing.

But the reality is your argument comes down to, you don't do a lot of dps because you are "playing the way you want to play" and you want some sort of system that will validate "your way of playing"

It doesn't exist. The best way you could become a better player, is to start listening to people who are better than you/copying them.